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O/T: What if 20M Illegal Aliens Left america?

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  1. skeet_man

    skeet_man Well-Known Member

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    Forwarded to me in an email a couple mins ago:

    If anyone doesn't think this is true, come visit Arizona.

    What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?

    Tina Griego, journalist for the Denver Rocky Mountain News wrote a column titled, "Mexican Visitor's Lament" -- 10/25/07.

    She interviewed Mexican journalist Evangelina Hernandez while visiting Denver last week. Hernandez said, "They (illegal aliens) pay rent, buy groceries, buy clothes...What Happens to your country's economy if 20 million people go away?" That's a good question - it deserves an answer.

    Over 80 percent of Americans demand secured borders and illegal migration stopped But what would happen if all 20 million or more vacated America?

    The answers may surprise you!

    In California, if 3.5 million illegal aliens moved back to Mexico, it would leave an extra $10.2 billion to spend on overloaded school systems, bankrupt hospitals and overrun prisons. It would leave highways cleaner, safer and less congested. Everyone could understand one another as English became the dominant language again.

    In Colorado, 500,000 illegal migrants, plus their 300,000 kids and grand-kids - would move back 'home', mostly to Mexico. That would save Coloradans an estimated $2 billion (other experts say $7 billion) annually in taxes that pay for schooling, medical, social-services and incarceration costs. It means 12,000 gang members would vanish out of Denver alone.

    Colorado would save more than $20 million in prison costs, and the terror that those 7,300 alien criminals set upon local citizens. Denver Officer Don Young and hundreds of Colorado victims would not have suffered death, accidents, rapes and other crimes by illegals.

    Denver Public Schools would not suffer a 67 percent drop-out/flunk-out rate because of thousands of illegal alien students speaking 41 different languages. At least 200,000 vehicles would vanish from our gridlocked cities in Colorado.

    Denver's four percent unemployment rate would vanish as our working poor would gain jobs at a living wage.

    In Florida, 1.5 million illegals would return the Sunshine State back to America, the rule of law, and English.

    In Chicago, Illinois, 2.1 million illegals would free up hospitals, schools, prisons and highways for a safer, cleaner and more crime-free experience.

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home' --

    If 20 million illegal aliens returned 'home', the U.S. Economy would return to the rule of law. Employers would hire legal American citizens at a living wage. Everyone would pay their fair share of taxes because they wouldn't be working off the books. That would result in an additional $401 Billion in IRS income taxes collected annually, and an equal amount for local, state and city coffers.

    No more push '1' for Spanish or '2' for English. No more confusion in American schools that now must contend with over 100 languages that degrade the educational system for American kids. Our overcrowded schools would lose more than two million illegal alien kids at a cost of billions in ESL and free breakfasts and lunches.

    We would lose 500,000 illegal criminal alien inmates at a cost of more than $1.6 billion annually. That includes 15,000 MS-13 gang members who distribute $130 billion in drugs annually would vacate our country.

    In cities like L.A., 20,000 members of the '18th Street Gang' would vanish from our nation. No more Mexican forgery gangs for ID theft from Americans! No more foreign rapists and child molesters!

    Losing more than 20 million people would clear up our crowded highways and gridlock. Cleaner air and less drinking and driving American deaths by illegal aliens!

    America's economy is drained. Taxpayers are harmed. Employers get rich. Over $80 billion annually wouldn't return to the aliens' home countries by cash transfers. Illegal migrants earned half that money untaxed, which further drains America's economy - which currently suffers an $8.7 trillion debt.

    At least 400,000 anchor babies would not be born in our country, costing us $109 billion per year per cycle. At least 86 hospitals in California, Georgia and Florida would still be operating instead of being bankrupt out of existence because illegals pay nothing via the EMTOLA Act.

    Americans wouldn't suffer thousands of TB and hepatitis cases rampant in our country-brought in by illegals unscreened at our borders.

    Our cities would see 20 million less people driving, polluting and grid locking our cities. It would also put the 'progressives' on the horns of a dilemma; illegal aliens and their families cause 11 percent of our greenhouse gases.

    Over one million of Mexico's poorest citizens now live inside and along our border from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in what the New York Times called, "colonias" or new neighborhoods. Trouble is, those living areas resemble Bombay and Calcutta where grinding poverty, filth, diseases , drugs, crimes, no sanitation and worse. They live without sewage, clean water, streets, electricity, roads or any kind of sanitation.

    The New York Times reported them to be America's new "Third World" inside our own country. Within 20 years, at their current growth rate, they expect 20 million residents of those colonias. (I've seen them personally in Texas and Arizona; it's sickening beyond anything you can imagine.) By enforcing our laws, we could repatriate them back to Mexico.

    We should invite 20 million aliens to go home, fix their owncountries and/or make a better life in Mexico. We already invite a million people into our country legally more than all other countries combined annually. We cannot and must not allow anarchy at our borders, more anarchy within our borders and growing lawlessness at every level in our nation.

    It's time to stand up for our country, our culture, our civilization and our way of life.

    Interesting Statistics. Here are 14 reasons illegal aliens should vacate America, and I hope they are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them:

    1. $11 billion to $22 billion dollars are spent each year on welfare to illegal aliens. http://tinyurl.com/zob77

    2. $2.2 billion dollars are spent each year on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    3. $2.5 billion dollars are spent each year on Medicaid for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html

    4. $12 billion dollars are spent each year on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot sp eak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    5. $17 billion dollars are spent each year for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01html

    6. $3 Million Dollars PER DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html

    7. 30% percent of all federal prison inmates are illegal aliens.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01html

    8. $90 billion dollars are spent each year on illegal aliens for welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01html

    9. $200 billion dollars per year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01html

    10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US.http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01html

    11. During the year 2005, there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our southern border with as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from terrorist countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine, and marijuana crossed into the U.S. from the southern border.http://tinyurl.com/t9sht

    12. The National Policy Institute, estimates that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion, or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period. http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/publications.php?b=deportation

    13. In 2006, illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin. http://wwwrense.com/general75/niht.htm

    14. The dark side of illegal immigration: Nearly one million sex crimes are committed by illegal immigrants in the United States!" http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml

    The total cost is a whopping $338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

    If this doesn't bother you, then just delete the message.
    Otherwise, forward this to everyone you know!
     
  2. spritc

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    I really thought this article was going to go the other way. It says exactly what we all feel. If you don't belong here, please go home immediately.
     
  3. spitter

    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    Don't let the drop gate hit your head on the way out!
     
  4. Bocephas

    Bocephas Well-Known Member

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    I don't think any of us will ever see this.

    We want cheap produce,fruit,and meat.

    Big business wants cheap labor.

    IBP up my way has most of it's labor force from south of the border.

    Feds. have busted them in the past.

    Not all are illegal.

    Bo
     
  5. bigbore613

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    How much to sponser one going back? Sign me up. Jeff
     
  6. wolfram

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    The people coming across our southern border are doing so because there is a better life for them in the USA. I have worked in a couple central american countries and know first hand just how bad things are down there, if I were one of those poor people I too would be trying to sneak into the US. But if you must be enraged about all of these problems associated with the illegal migrants then focus that rage where it belongs - US business practices. "Somebody" is supplying those people with jobs. Chances are you know a few of those somebodies and certainly some your spending has trickled into the hands of illegal workers.

    But most importantly understand the magnitude of the problem. 20 million is a staggering number, how would we even go about rounding up 1 million of them? How many troops would it take to do that? A fence won't stop it, bullets won't stop it. We need to take away the attractants but that will come at the cost of lowering our own standard of living.
     
  7. halfmile

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    The first solution has to be removal of the incentives.

    Landlords should be required to check for proof of citizenship. (don't laugh, there are municipalities with penalties for renting to illegals.)

    Businesses should be severely punished, more than a slap on the wrist for knowingly hiring illegals.

    Whatever happend to the I-9 form? It was torture for me to get my employees properly documented 20 years ago. Do the even use it?

    I know for a fact you can get an identity for 400 dollars if you need one.

    5 years ago they promised a forgeproof green card with a credit card styl hologram. It never came. Does this tell you something about our leaders?

    I can wail about the medical and educational drain, the lack of insured (or even licensed) drivers, but it seems no solution comes. I send letters to my senators and bland form letters come back.

    I guess the protesting has to become more forceful. Not that I know what should be next. Any Ideas?

    HM
     
  8. The Rock

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    Jobs we don't want my ass.

    When you lost your job or laid off when I was young(been awhile)you would go the the potato farm and sort or twenty other little Crap jobs till something better came along.


    But today even the construction jobs are not there. The $20 an hr drywall or roofing are all Illegal workers. The contractor is most likely the only one in the outfit that speaks English. He signs the paperwork and saves 15 buck a hour per worker.

    Picking tomatoes my butt. They are doing the skilled jobs that were done in the past by skilled workers.

    Even at the Golden Coral chew and choke the cooks in the kitchen no speak the language.

    It's got so bad even two of the Chinese restaurants here have Mexicans cooking and doing dishes.

    Rock

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  9. halfmile

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    Crooked employers should get a 5 thousand dollar fine the first, 10 thousand the second and the 3rd offense should be loss of license.

    Go to any Mall construction job on the weekend and you will see the taco bender drywall guys, no speak english, Mexican music on the boom box extra loud, boxes of screws all over the floor, shitty work, cuts not done, done wrong or done so poorly they have to be done over.

    And I have to sign a prevailing wage paper to get my piece of that pie.

    Voicing our concerns hasn't done anything. Time for the next step.

    HM
     
  10. I WON

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    I would be in favor to "Let's See First" !
     
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    Here in the Sunshine towns and cities are starting to enact laws that punish the employer for hireing illegals.

    I hope we start seeing a change.

    I don't mind immigration but do it legally.

    Ron
     
  12. Bisi

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    Rock, Half mile, you guys must live in the same town I do. I see the same damn stuff, everyday. There is an Italian restaurant about a quarter a mile from where I live, I used to walk down there and get a bit to eat and drink a beer every once in a while, until I found out the whole kitchen is manned by Mexicans who don't speak the language. Went into a Chinese place the other day and all their bus help were illegals too. Italian and Chinese food being prepared by Mexicans, what a country! And I'm in Indiana, where the nearest border is the Canadian border!

    I'm all for giving fines to employers who knowing hire illegals, but what are we going to do to our own government for helping the illegals. An illegal alien rear ended by mothers car a couple of years ago. This illegal woman had a couple of "anchor" babies and she was living in government housing, had all the other goodies that came with that: Wic, ebt, etc... That woman didn't have a job, she was just living off of what our government provided her and her anchors.
     
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    Here in Indiana we have a new law requiring a REAL social security number before you can get a driver's license. The number is also checked to make sure that it doesn't belong to someone else. Believe it or not its working! They are leaving. I don't have the quote from the local paper but many who are staying are pissed because now they don't get to drive. Isn't that a shame!

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    They come to Wisconsin because we don't have an insurance law. They drive without licnses, are given citations and never show up. Officers let them go because they hide behind their language (falsely) and it's a hassle to get an interpreter on the scene for a traffic violation.

    Stinks like crap.

    HM
     
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    HF, thats exactly how its been in IN also but someone somewhere finally had the brilliant idea to actually check these people's SSN. Low and behold, they are fake! What a concept! Fake? I can't believe it. These people are here illegally? They made up or stole someone elses number?

    Whart really gets me is these illegals actually have the nads to complain and think they should have the RIGHT to a driver's license...and everything else of course.

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    I am with Jeff, lets pay their way back home so we can quit paying them to stay here
     
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    There's a lot of ...they should... do something to control the problem. How many of YOU have illegals working for you. If you know that a certain company hires illegals then make sure you don't shop there. If one shows up as an employee of your subs, run off the sub. Are you renting to them? All the laws we have are worthless unless there's grass roots efforts to support them. There's just not enough INS/police/ etc to get the job done.
    FWIW as my $.01

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    I agree. I have 2 rentals, and I require citizenship. I also require income, NOT child support or SSI. Last application I tossed was a young Hispanic girl whose income was Boyfriend's "lawn care" business. This was in the dead of winter.

    In Green Bay the city sends letters and citations to the landlord, not to the tenant. So when they don't put out their garbage or leave stuff in the yard, guess who gets the fine?

    The TV commercial that has the guy talking on the phone for a rental in various accents is funny. Contrary to popular beliefs you do not HAVE to rent to the first person that waves money at you. Use of a well thought out application procedure saves a lot of headaches.

    HM
     
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    And what about all the ones that are NOT working but MILKing our system. Hell that's even worse. Had one rear end me a few months back, no insurance and no license and no money or assets of course. I cannot begin to tell you how much money I'm out because of that. I want to make it clear that I am NOT against LEGAL aliens at all.
     
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