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O/T Republican Rant

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by jakearoo, Feb 23, 2008.

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  1. jakearoo

    jakearoo Active Member

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    A very dear friend of mine sent me the below. He has always been a fiercely independent Republican. It is a correspondence he wrote and sent to his Republican Representative. I have taken out any name references and inserted anonymous salutations. I thought it was worth sharing and for comment. Regards, Jake

    Dear Representative,

    As a lifelong Republican voter, this is the first time I have been compelled to contact any of my elected representatives.

    The issue is retroactive immunity for telecoms now under consideration before the House. Actually, the real issue is the 4th Amendment--"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"--which the GOP is now on the brink of codifying its apparent disregard.

    President Bush stated that "the House's refusal to act is undermining our ability to get cooperation from private companies." My reaction to this is, “Good!” I do NOT want private companies to cooperate with the government to illegally provide private information on American citizens, even those *suspected* of acting as foreign agents, without judicial oversight. Moreover, I would be very pleased to see telecoms that have acted illegally in the past to provide this information be made examples of.

    "It is unfair and unjust to threaten these companies with financial ruin only because they are believed to have done the right thing and helped their country." On the contrary, I think it is absolutely fair to hold these companies (and the Federal Government) to strict compliance with the law, and I am dismayed that any elected official might disagree.

    If it is simply a matter of expediency, I am at a loss to understand why perhaps streamlining the process of acquiring FISA warrants is not a preferable solution when the alternative is the shortsighted dismissal of a fundamental American right. Yes, I am afraid of terrorist strikes within the United States, but I am certain that giving our intelligence services unfettered authorization to snoop on us is a bad answer. You guys’ definition of what the Right Thing might be is something about which the Founding Fathers themselves were skeptical. There is currently a legally binding process that provides for judicial oversight in these matters. Those who do not follow the process, or have not followed it in the past, must be held accountable. A get-out-of-jail-free-card sends exactly the wrong message.

    In summary, I am unwilling to see the 4th Amendment go the way of the 2nd. I urge you to buck the Party on this one and demonstrate your leadership as a guardian of our freedom by telling your colleagues what Benjamin Franklin said: “Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.”

    Regards,

    A life time Republican and American
     
  2. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yep. The Patriot Act and the other erosions of our Bill of Rightys, particularly the Second Amendment, are inexcusable. It's like we have to fight the Republicans AND the Democrats.<br>
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    The Libertarians are looking better and better all the time.
     
  3. crusha

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    Yah, the "Open Borders Libertarians" are the answer proper alternative to the "Tax and Spend Democrats" and "Big Brother Republicans"...anybody who yearns to place childlike faith in any kind of party, is bound to be disappointed these days. Too many wacko viewpoints out there.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    That's a very real problem. There is no party that fits everyone to a T. I've overlooked a lot of crap frojm the Republicans, but my line in the sand is the Second Amendment. Once a right is gone, it's extremely rare to get it back.
     
  5. nipper

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    If this is the first time you have contacted a representatives no wonder,hope you can grow your own garden soon.

    Bill
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I'm not seeing anything on the Second Amendment there.
     
  7. The Rock

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    Damacrats do it you just don't hear about it in the NY Times. It does not happen according to them, BULL.

    They can tap my phone and look at my mail. Hell they can pay the damn bills that are in what they look at also.

    If you seam to chat on the phone a lot to a few Arab country locations I hope like hell they listen real close.

    The people had better start taking this sh%t serious. It is not a joke people and no matter what BamBam or Hellery says talking nice-nice won't work. They are big on let's talk while they figure out a way to kill a few thousand more Americans.

    They tap my phone what to they get? What I had for breakfast? 7 &1/2's or 8's? The color of the grandkid's eyes?

    Yea it's not OK until some Muslim looking for a few virgins does his thing at the Indy 500 and then it's why did they not stop this from happening. Hell if the government used a psychic and a crystal ball some would still complain.

    We have grown complacent because they have been stopped from another Trade Tower.


    Rock

    Jim
     
  8. mike moncilovich

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    Whow! Over the years I have heard many in our ranks quote Ben Franklin,(those who give up liberties for security, deserve neither). Well, he talking about the entire cinstitution, not only the 2nd Amendment. Also,Bush is eliminating the Hapeas Corpus, in other words, your right to an attorney, if somebody doesn't like you and reports seeing you communicating with a suspected terrorist. Lock you up, no speedy trial. The Bill of Rights is like a house of cards, pull 1 and the house colaspes. "Wake up"P--isheads!!!! Without these RIGHTS, our country will be no different than China, Russia and all those dictorial governments. Who ever said liberty was free? Remember,a great man said,"GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH" Yes, are founding fathers had wisdom beyond anything our present leaders could comprehend. They said we would have an on going struggle with these dems. and reps. to maintain our freedoms, at the ballot box and demostrations. Fight these people, not each other...Mike
     
  9. jakearoo

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    Rock, I am glad you don't care if the government listens in to your conversations because they will hear "71/2s or 8s?" But when they start passing laws which take away your guns, you might care that they are listening to you talk about which shot you prefer. Just a thought. Jake
     
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