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O/T: POLICE OFFICER SHOT TO DEATH....

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by noknock1, Jul 12, 2011.

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  1. noknock1

    noknock1 Active Member

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    Terre Haute, IN Police Officer and his K-9 partner shot while serving a warrant for probation violation/ receiving stolen property...
     
  2. noknock1

    noknock1 Active Member

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    This is why law enforcement practices together and utilizes rifles, flash bangs, etc... See below stats from attached link...

    "Crime fighting has taken its toll. Since the first recorded police death in 1791, there have been over 19,000 law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty. Currently, there are 19,298 names engraved on the walls of the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial.

    A total of 1,626 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the past 10 years, an average of one death every 53 hours or 163 per year. There were 116 law enforcement officers killed in 2009, the lowest annual total since 1959.

    On average, more than 58,000 law enforcement officers are assaulted each year, resulting in approximately 16,000 injuries.

    The 1970s were the deadliest decade in law enforcement history, when a total of 2,286 officers died, or an average of almost 229 each year. The deadliest year in law enforcement history was 1930, when 285 officers were killed. That figure dropped dramatically in the 1990s, to an average of 160 per year." END OF CUT AND PASTE.

    Law enforcement enforce laws, it is not a fair contest, if bad guy chooses not to follow laws, then bad guy goes to jail. No reason for the LEO to get hurt in the process. If one does not wish for laws to be enforced, then one does not believe in constitution and should leave for a country with few laws, judges, attorney's, etc... Somalia, Afghanistan, and quite a few other countries come to mind.

    But the question raised on this site time and time again is why do Law Enforcement need to utilize military tactics and weaponry to enforce civilian law? Again, I dislike the term "military tactics" as much as I dislike the term ASSAULT RIFLE.

    How many officers/ feds have been shot this year serving warrants?

    Not enough SWAT teams to serve every warrant, certainly no need for a SWAT team to serve a warrant for a probation violation for RECEIVING STOLEN PROPERTY!!! Goes to show, that some criminals,( despite what some think) do not want to go to jail. They will take whatever means necessary to maintain their freedom.

    Unfortunately, law enforcement are not issued crystal balls to determine who is going to be a violent resister and who is not.... I was not on scene, I assume that these guys did everything by the book, even deploying a K-9 once the TURD refused to comply with law full orders and the scene still ended tragically.

    Even with modern training and the best equipment, law enforcement knows that sometimes things will not go their way and that they could die enforcing the laws of this great country, even if the law is for receiving stolen property.

    PRAYERS TO THE FAMILY OF THIS OFFICER AND ALL OTHER FAMILIES THAT HAVE LOST A LOVED ONE IN THE LINE OF DUTY.

    Life is tough enough with accidents, illnesses, etc...

    One LEO dies on average every 53 hours for the past 10 years.

    39% increase in shooting deaths of LEO'S over the past 12 months.
     
  3. tj303

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    While every death on the job is sad let's not get carried away with thinking everybody is out to gun down a LEO.

    "Last year, the National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund reported police fatalities at a 50-year low. Sadly, 2010 was more typical. The number of police officers killed in the line of duty jumped back up to about 160, closer to the annual norm. When you hear that number, you may think about gunfire and 59 police officers did die after being shot this year. But car accidents remain among the biggest causes of police deaths". http://www.npr.org/2010/12/29/132441719/Traffic-Accidents-Leading-Cause-Of-Police-Deaths

    Given that there are over 900,000 LEO's the probability of getting killed by gunfire is low (6.5 per one hundred thousand). The total death rate is 17.78 per one hundred thousand.

    In comparison..."Farm work is one of the most hazardous occupations in the country. The death rate among agricultural workers nationwide was an estimated 20.9 per 100,000 workers in 1996; compared to the average for all industries of 3.9 per 100,000 workers. (Reeves, et. al. “Fields of Poison: California Farm workers and Pesticides.” California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation, Pesticide Action Network North America, and the United Farm Workers of America, AFL-CIO. 1999"

    Growing food for Americans to eat is more dangerous than being a LEO!

    Two cases of over reacting (i.e. SWAT teams) to serve paper that went terribly wrong are Ruby Ridge and Waco, TX.

    I mean no disrespect to LEO's but we do not need, nor is it necessary, or even beneficial to call out a SWAT team for every warrant.

    My condolences to all who die that serve, protect, and feed us.

    Tony J
     
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    Ruby Ridge and Waco were Fed Heads rather than LEO's.

    Janet Reno issued the orders to murder in both cases.

    As far as the 70's go, this was where society reaped the harvest of the Great Social Experiment of the 60's.

    And Washington DC is the final fruit.

    HM
     
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    tj303, Absolutely correct sir, there are many professions strictly speaking that one is more likely to receive a critical injury or suffer death than law enforcement. And to mitigate such tragic accidents in all job fields there are safety standards.

    No SWAT teams do not need to be called out for each warrant. However, time and time again I see people bashing law enforcement for using what they perceive as military tactics when in reality, most of them are acting in a professional manner in which at the end of the day causes the TURD to go to jail instead of the morgue which in turn allows the TURD to file a civil suit against the department.

    Law Enforcement is unique in the fact that there are a group of people any given time that will murder an LEO if given the chance.

    Fortunately for us, corn stalks do not plot the murder of agricultural workers. Agricultural workers and everyone else that die as a result of their profession die from accidental reasons, whether mechanical, human or both, with the exception of work site shooting rampages...

    My point is that an LEO with a patrol rifle is not a para-military thug running around, that officer and his department have merely adapted to our current environment.

    As a side note, I wonder how many non-English speaking agricultural workers make up the numbers in the quoted death rate? I wonder if sometimes a language barrier ever has an impact on safety procedures, etc?

    Those 19 agricultural workers that die out of every 100,000 are certainly not all solely English speaking farmers (whose ancestors have grown food for generations and grew up learning from their fathers' the science of growing/producing crops ) who are driving around on tractors and other farm equipment? Or could a certain number of those 'workers' be on the ground say picking food?
     
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    My family's thoughts and prayers go out to the slain officer's family and friends.
     
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    One has no idea just how "exposed" a law man can be until he enforces traffic laws from a motorcycle and having no knowledge just what that driver ahead is speeding away from.
     
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    Waco & Ruby Ridge a mistake?

    Curt
     
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    How does our family feel about police officers (fire dept, EMTs and military also)? They and immediate family eat free at our restaurants. Offer goes especially to retired from Service individuals. Most won't take the offer but when they do we get the most genuine of genuine "THANK YOUs". And rarely, if ever, will one individual take us up on that offer more than once over time. Quality Americans thru and thru!

    mp
     
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    Since this thread was instantly politicized, here's the flip side of the coin.
     
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    These people that supposedly "serve" ask to do this.....they're not drafted. Their loss is no more a tragedy than anyone else, that looses their life on the job. The feeling of authority is what draws most leo's to seek their employment, not serving the public.

    Work on a highway construction crew......one day.... and you'll see what risking your life is really about. Just think of how many construction workers will die this week.....the same for truck drivers.....and they have no means of defense, with regards to their greatest threat.......that's the millions of unqualified drivers that they are forced to occupy the highways with.

    No...being a cop is pretty safe compared to what some people have to endure every day.

    I for one am growing tired, hearing about how rough the public employees have it.
     
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    and of course(to politicize it further), gun control laws has absolutely nothing to do with the perp being able to shoot the officer
     
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    Another one lost. (sigh)
     
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