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Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by mark54, Apr 23, 2013.

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  1. mark54

    mark54 Member

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    If anyone can offer any help on this problem, I will thank you in advance. I have a '97 Chrysler T/C LXI, with a 3.8 Liter engine. It has 103,000 miles on it. It began shutting off, but always restarted, with a few tries. The "check engine light" came on , & I took it to the dealer, & they said it was the code for " CAM POSITION SENSOR".That was last Monday, April 15th. Today April 23rd, after 2 cam sensors, a crank position sensor & new plugs, it still hasn't run.Now they tell me the "flex plate" is cracked. Today they were going to drop the tranny.I didn't hear from them yet.Does anyone have any opinions, what the problem could be.

    Thank you, mark54 in Lititz
     
  2. AveragEd

    AveragEd Well-Known Member

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    Hi Mark!

    While I don't have an answer for your question, I will offer a possible explanation. After 38 years in the auto business as a GM dealership service technician and manager, I bought a 2011 Dodge Grand Caravan Crew in January of 2012. Our vehicles are not similar as mine has a completely different powertrain but I have discovered that Chrysler must not have good dealership service advisor and technician training/certification programs.

    I contacted the two dealerships local to my home (Brenner Chrysler-Jeep and CVM Autopark, both in Mechanicsburg) with questions about how certain systems were to operate. In neither case did the service advisor with whom I spoke know the answers or possess the initiative to find them. I took the van in to both for an intermittent harsh transaxle engagement condition only to be told "they all do that; don't use the 'Econ' button." I eventually called a dealership perhaps 30 miles away (Shively Motors in Shippensburg) and was told over the phone that there is a software update for the Powertrain Control Module to address that condition.

    I think that if your dealership's latest guess is wrong, the vehicle needs to go elsewhere. And even if they are right this time, they owe you credit for a large part of the repair costs so far. Although it happens, it isn't common for a condition to have more than one cause and highly uncommon for it to have several.

    There is a Chrysler master technician from Florida who is active here. Perhaps he will respond to your inquiry.

    Good luck!

    Ed (in Carlisle)
     
  3. mark54

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    Hi Mark.
    You said that It began shutting off, but always restarted, with a few tries.
    when would it shut off? at Idle or while driving, when you took off from a dead stop?
    now at the dealer your saying, after 2 cam sensors, a crank position sensor & new plugs, it still hasn't run.
    Do you mean it wont start now? or is it still shutting off?

    Rog
     
  5. birdtracker

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    I sent you a pm with my phone number. First a cracked flex plate would have to be missing a very large chunk for it to make it not start. I have never had a flex plate cause this. ASD circuit is where to start. Ignition switch, wiring, fuse box relay, fuel pump and wiring. Its either fuel or spark. Birdtracker
     
  6. mark54

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    It shut off at idle, it never did it while driving.The dealer hasn't been able to even get it started since they have it.They told me they had fuel. I didn't get a call yet, since they were going to change the flex plate. I am going there tomorrow & see what is going on.

    Thanks everyone, I'll keep you informed. mark54
     
  7. mark54

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    4/26 & they have NOT been able to start my car yet. Service Manager says "they will find the problem". Unbelievable. Thanks to all who responded, Don, it wasn't the flex plate. I will keep you informed.

    mark54 in Lititz
     
  8. Chango2

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    Where are you located? I know of a very talened ex-Chyrsler service manager who knows his stuff. He went out on his own and opened his own shop in Whittier, California. Pardon in advance if you already listed your location, I've not read this entire thread. This ex-Chyrsler service manager/mechanic was the very best student ever in my friend's autoshop class of over 30 years in Santa Fe Springs, California. He taught auto shop after wrenching during the early part of his career. Smart move, it helped his health and pension in the long run!

    In fact, that friend and his brother, both retired mechanics, take their vehicles to him. (Bill Heather) I consider those brothers as very good mechanics, although they avoid wrenching now. One was a GM-trained Buick mechanic and the other, an avid hot rodder and Nissan/Datsun specialist. I highly respect their endorsements.

    Perhaps Bill can consult for a small fee via phone if you are not in the area:

    Bill's Auto Service
    Whittier, California 90602

    tel.: 562-907-7476
     
  9. birdtracker

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    He is in P.A. Tht flex plate would of had to be broke completely around the center. I have been thinking about it through the day. Since it had a cam sensor code, then when it was changed it won't start, I would check that plug on the vehicles harness side, then those 2 wires with an ohm meter. Good Luck Birdtracker.
     
  10. birdtracker

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    Mark: also there is a ground on the passenger side motor mount. It looks like a metal strap. Look at that and make sure its not broken. Birdtracker
     
  11. mark54

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    3 CHEERS, I got our van back this afternoon. After pulling the timing gear cover off, to check the chain, they found nothing wrong there either. They went back to the wiring &"found deeper wiring issues. Repaired all wiring as needed for INJ/IGN HARNESS", quote from the bill. Seems like all is good.

    Many thanks to all who sent in ideas, seems like many were spot on. I even thought the bill was very fair.

    Thanks again, mark54 in Lititz,Pa. (winner of "COOLEST SMALL TOWN IN THE U.S.) this year.
     
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