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O/T Holocaust Never Existed

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by spitter, Apr 18, 2007.

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  1. spitter

    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    Is that a thread title or what? Imagine receiving an email I received from family in-the-know. Seeing numbers burned into a forearm is an indelible image I cannot imagine anyone voluntarily choosing to do for any reason.

    The long and short of it is the U.K. is removing any reference to the Holocaust from its school curriculums, pandering to the Muslim (Moslem sic?) population which claims it never occurred.

    60 years after WWII, with US soldiers liberating death camps, its a slap in face to not just 6 million Jewish Europeans, but to 20 million Russians, 10 million Christian Europeans and nearly 2000 Catholic Priests.

    Regardless of ones ethnic/religious persuasions, its ridiculous to dismiss the elimination/genocide of 35+ million human beings. And I thought the French were weak!

    Jay Spitz
     
  2. chillyhamster

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    How come you are being so hypercritical now, where were you in 1939 to 1942 when you could have made a difference. Dont blame most of us "english" for the actions of a "socialist" goverment which is so far up GB's ar$$ we can only just see his feet, and it bodes badly that the ex chancellor (a tight fisted scot) is getting into bed with him also.
     
  3. no5shooter

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    Hey chilly, have you lost your mind, or is it just a Brit thing? In 1939, very few of the people on this or any other forum were alive, let alone in a position to do anything about the holocaust. Do you remember the Americans hauled your chestnuts outta the fire, some of us even before Dec. 1941? And just what the heck does GB have to do with your pansy-arsed leaders rewriting history? You guys elected the government you have now, we didn't.
     
  4. Spanky

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    I'm going to the museum in DC this weekend (Sunday). I've been wanting to go for quite a while now. My youngest daughter is in college in Baltimore and mentioned out of the blue that she wanted to go, so that is all I needed to hear to make my decision to go.
     
  5. spitter

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    Tomk2 - There isn't a link per se, I was forwarded the email from my sister who received it from some folks she knows well through her Chicago connections at the Jewish Federation.

    In response to ChillyHamster - in 1939, my mother was an infant, but I'd like to think had I been in a position to make a difference, I would have.

    Jay Spitz
     
  6. Big Al 29

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    Muslims hate the Jews because they believe Israel is in their holy land. They say all this shit because they are attempting to suppress Jewish heritage, and annihilate them just like Hitler and the Nazis because they blame them for something. As early as 1919, Adolf Hitler had written, “Rational antisemitism, however, must lead to systematic legal opposition. Its final objective must unswervingly be the removal of the Jews altogether.” The Nazis portrayed Jews as a race and not a religious group. Religious antisemitism could be resolved by conversion, political antisemitism by expulsion. Ultimately, the logic of Nazi racial antisemitism led to Hitler's Final Solution of the Jewish Question" and annihilation.

    Hitler blamed the Jews for WWI and his idea of the Jews as an evil race struggling for world domination. He decided long before he came to power in 1933 that the Jewish race needed to be cleansed as the statement above was written in 1919. Sounds just like that idiot in Iran and the radical Muslims blaming the Jews with their "fake" holocaust for the Muslims losing Israel after WWII.

    I took this piece from a reading just as a snap shot to portray the eerie similarity of the beginnings of Hitler's and Nazism reign and Ahmadinejad and radical Muslim. If you replace "Hitler" with "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" and "Nazi" with "Muslim" it has an eerie similarity with present situations, Hitler's Nazism in Germany and Ahmadinejad and radical Muslim globally:

    "When Hitler came to power, as the head of a coalition government, his first objective was to consolidate power and to eliminate political opposition. The assault against the Jews began with a boycott of Jewish businesses. A week later the Nazis dismissed Jews from the civil service, and by the end of the month, the participation of Jews in German schools was restricted by a quota. Later, thousands of Nazi students, together with many professors, stormed university libraries and bookstores in 30 cities throughout Germany to remove tens of thousands of books written by non-Aryans and those opposed to Nazi ideology. The books were tossed into bonfires in an effort to cleanse German culture of “un-Germanic” writings. A century earlier, Heinrich Heine—a German poet of Jewish origin—had said, “Where one burns books, one will, in the end, burn people.” In Nazi Germany, the time between the burning of Jewish books and the burning of Jews was eight years."

    They are attempting the same thing as Hitler and the Nazis were. Annihilation of the Jews. Its so obvious it is sick.

    Unfortunately people forget the past ever too soon and don't understand that history will repeat itself unless we educate ourselves about the past.

    The world needs to take the blinders off and understand what is happening. If we let this shit get out of hand, who knows how many will die to end this one. It took 60 million deaths to end WWII, 500,000 were Americans in only 4 years. Appeasement and taking a blind eye will only feed them more. The Israelis already understand it and are already on record saying "Never Again" and that was 62 years ago and it still is as strong as it was then. 9-11 was 6 years ago and amazingly many people of the Western world already forgot or take the blind eye to what is happening.

    Nip it now before it grows out of control is all I can say.
     
  7. omahasportingsupply

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    I am NOT an expert on anything. In 1985 I smelled the walls of the gas ovens at Dachau (near Munich). The bricks still smelled like burned flesh. You do the math and tell me how long it would take to get that stench out of porous brick. Lately, I have noticed that even the displays at Dachau and Bergen- Belsen have been watered down so that they are not so gruesome. WHY?
     
  8. foghorn220

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    spitter:

    Ok check out the snopes link it says multiple False and true since 1 history class decided to not teach it.

    Fog
     
  9. webley

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    Jay,
    Teaching about the Holocaust is not being banned in British schools.

    You’ve got less than half of an old ‘tabloid’ press story which related to one school for about one week – a school which has now had to correct it’s diversion from the ‘National Curriculum’ (a curriculum which includes teaching all about the Holocaust).

    Generally: Aside from schools - as far as media based information (education?) is concerned (i.e. newspaper articles, TV documentaries etc) it’s rare to go more than a few weeks without a Holocaust related programme being on one channel or another. It's not being hidden here - quite the reverse.

    Chillyhamster,
    Jay wasn’t being hypocritical – he was just ‘wrong’. As incorrect as his post was – I fail to see anything in your response which relates to what he actually said.

    Russell
     
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    A few years ago I visited Hitler's "Eagle's Nest" in Berchtesgadener Land, Bavaria. At the base of the fortress is a holocaust museum that contains a huge number of photos and other historical artifacts. Even if you let yourself be convinced that the holocaust never happended, don't you think that the Germans would have tried to escape resposibility if they could. They have paid a fortune in reparations to Jewish families. If they are willing to admit the crimes of their leaders, why should we second guess them? Tom S. (welderman)
     
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    I really don't think that the Jewish people would have gotten on those trains if they had guns and bullits! The gestappo had "removed" those dangerous weapons from the hands of innocent people for "their" protection just as some are attempting NOW. I've got guns and I'm NOT getting on their damn train!...merlyn...
     
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    You can find a lot of information, true and false, by Goggling for ""Holohoax".
    I personally use Yahoo search, just because I am used to it.

    After much reading I came to the following conclusion:

    The Murder of many camp internees did indeed happen. Many of them were not Jewish, and much of it was done in the face of a losing war effort.

    Some so called experts make unproven statements about the mechanics of the whole issue. I have no way of verifying this.

    After hostilities ceased, the first reports said things like "12 million Jews gassed and cremated"

    Knowing how media operates is key here. They reduced those figures later since there were not 12 million Jews in northern Europe, much less exterminated.

    It was a shameful tragedy, and rightfully should never be forgotten. The Jewish people were denied their human rights and treated like cattle. But it was a great opportunity for horn blowing by many.

    German citizens who were not alive at the time are still paying reparations.

    Many Germans were just like the sheep Americans today who put all their trust in government, and don't pay attention to what goes on.

    Aaaaaaaaand, boys and girls, GUN CONTROL was one of Hitler's first insurance policies to maintain tight control over the masses.

    In my opinion the full truth about this shameful occurence will never be known. But most of the evidence is there.

    Muslims let someone else do their thinking for them. It's an easy way not to be responsible. Holocaust denial is right next to degradation of women in their life style.

    They are today's problem. The Holocaust is history.

    HM
     
  13. spitter

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    I apologize if I inadvertently forwarded on bad info, I had spoken with my sister who had a high level of confidence in the originator of her email message.

    One issue that is not in dispute is that intolerance is on the rise in Europe. Incidents of anti-Semitism has been growing in the UK & France at alarming rates.

    It's just a shame that as human beings we can't find common ground through the teachings of the Old Testament, New Testament and Koran (sic?).

    Peace,
    Jay Spitz
     
  14. ANTRIM UDF

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    Chilly, you can easily read my moniker.Despite that I was brought up to believe that we let you Brits down. You took a helluva pounding from Jerry until we got our asses shot off at Pearl. Wasn`t our fight until then. Wrong. My Mum told us stories of the Queen as a girl explaining to the other children of UK why they had to leave their homes and families and relocate to the countryside. You Brits suffered horribly, we went without butter, new tires, new cars. We won that fight together. Yes, we for the most part, despise Monty, and his tea break before Caen; but the common soldiers of the Allies fought well together. Not an apology or admiration, just the facts as I see them. // And Ulster is doing quite nicely, thank you.// I know too many Jews from the Holo to even begin to doubt it. Anyone going to the Museum in DC ought to take an extra Prozac that day. I went there shortly after it opened; the admin at the Museum was very concerned that the place was being so visited it was wearing out. Well, good. Never again, never forget.
     
  15. W.P.T.

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    There are a lot of people who have gotten a lot of mileage out of this if it never happened, thats for sure ... Mention the word "Holocaust" and watch, get ready for the tears to start flowing and the boo hooing to begin by a lot of people and they weren't even there as it turns out ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  16. halfmile

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    Bill, ever since the days of Golda Meier this has been the tactic Israel uses to advance their aims.

    I say it was an atrocity but the whole issue has gotten way too much milage by for wrong people.

    Lots of money paid by people who had nothing to do with it, lots of people collecting and advancing from it who were not wronged.

    That, too is an atrocity. It's a Sharpton tactic.

    HM
     
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    "NEVER AGAIN" - JDL - Fred
     
  18. halfmile

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    Rick, it happened. countless GI's have told the story and took the pictures.

    The Media distortions and use of an obvious tragedy by a whole class of people to further their ambitions (and get the whole Muslim world pissed off at the West) is another story.

    Nazis were equal opportunity killers. Many death camp corpses were not Jewish at all.

    This does not get reported, and never will. The entertainment and Media industry owners will see to that.

    HM
     
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