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NRA Screwed Up

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Dr.Longshot, Jun 15, 2010.

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  1. Dr.Longshot

    Dr.Longshot Banned Banned

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    The NRA Sided with Nancy Pelosi and Supported Ohio Democrat Governor Strickland.

    All our funds we donated were just p*ssed away, I cannot support the NRA any longer. NRA is another OBAMA. Sorry I joined.

    Gary Bryant
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  2. Big Heap

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  3. Gary Waalkes

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    Dr. Longshot - did you take into account the Republican opponent (John Kasich) hates guns?? This is not about parties nor about siding with Nancy. This is about who might be a better supporter of gun rights. The NRA did the arithmetic and came up with Strickland.

    In 1994, Strickland, during his first term in Washington, bucked Democratic President Bill Clinton's high-profile crime bill because it included a ban on assault-style weapons. Kasich voted for the crime bill and supported the ban.

    As a result, the NRA bestowed its "A" rating on Strickland, which he has maintained since. Kasich in 1994 was given an "F" rating by the NRA.

    The NRA also endorsed Strickland in the Democratic primary in 2006 but did not make an endorsement for the general election that year when Strickland went on to defeat Republican Ken Blackwell.

    Since becoming governor, Strickland in 2008 signed bills making the so-called "castle doctrine" law in Ohio, which presumes that people acted in self-defense when using force against someone who illegally entered their home or car. He also that year signed a bill championed by gun supporters that lessened restrictions on concealed carry license holders.

    And Strickland has said that he supports Senate Bill 239, a bill making its way through the Ohio legislature that would allow concealed carry license holders to tote their firearms in alcohol-serving establishments such as family restaurants and bars -- a measure opposed by police groups.


    So other than shooting off your mouth, please lay out the facts that prove the NRA is wrong.
     
  4. Dr.Longshot

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    I just recieved a notice to call the NRA on the Pelosi deal, to get the NRA to back out of the agreement with her and I believe Reid. Please check into it and let the NRA know where we stand on the Pelosi deal something about being quiet.

    I live in Ohio and I do not trust Governor Strickland.


    Gary Bryant
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  5. Gary Waalkes

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    Longshot - you are changing the subject - Please come forth with your facts on anti gunner John Kasich being a better gun guy than Strickland.
     
  6. Ahab

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    Since when did Longshot check facts before shooting off his mouth?
     
  7. Paladin

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    Just one of the points of the bill, and which the National Association for Gun Rights mis-characterized the NRA's position.

    "The bill calls for new disclosure requirements to accompany political advertising by outside groups, which can now spend millions of dollars in campaign-altering political activity without publicly identifying their donors"

    Remember,,hussein was elected with huge amounts of 'foreign, non-source disclosed' money.


    The NRA did not 'side' with anyone, except their own members. Their sole concern was for their members...
     
  8. R.Kipling

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    I don't agree with Longshot on much, but I can tell you that I've just about had it with the NRA also. Fortunately, the Second Amendment Foundation and Safari Club International are still viable alternatives. Supporting any Democrat on the face of this single issue is beyond stupid.

    As for Kasich, I've included a link to his latest You-tube discussion on the gun topic. It speaks for itself. Strickland is a socialist sycophant, and a slug to boot. His position on guns doesn't interest me for the fact that he is otherwise and totally destructive of every other conservative principle.

    Strickland has done NOTHING for Ohio in nearly 4 years, and it was intentional - he's only interested in his own well-being and willing to say and do whatever meets that end. During his first week in office all you heard from him was what he intended to do in his "second term".

    IMHO,
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  9. phirel

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    So it seems that Ohio will elect either an anti gun Republican or a socialist Democrat. The role of the NRA is to support gun rights. It is a single issue organization. Which one would you expect the NRA to endorse?

    Pat Ireland
     
  10. BigM-Perazzi

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    So why is this in the shooting threads? Move it to politics so it doesn't suck my bandwidth....
     
  11. R.Kipling

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    Pat,

    Did you bother to view the video? I believe that there just isn't any place for single-issue organizations any more, if there ever was?

    Even so, Kasich may have had a 'Zumbo' moment in '94, but it certainly appears that he has had a similar enlightenment? Only time will tell, Strickland is a known snake-oil salesman, time for a new flavor - at least........

    FWIW, Chairman Mao armed every loyal citizen in his communist struggle against Chiang Kai-shek; right up to the point that Kai-shek (no saint) was defeated. Then, Mao starved all the people and traded their guns for rice. Gun rights don't mean much when your children are starving and you're too weak to resist. Mao knew that "all power comes from the barrel of a gun", and had the amoral will to use it to his own ends.

    Today's Liberals and Democrats are the most amoral beings I have witnessed. Most Conservatives and Republicans have both ethics and morals and will remain guided by them. Notice that I said 'most', the exception seems to be those that have had prolonged exposure to Beltway fever.

    All the more reason to expel Strickland. Kasich chose to leave D.C. when he recognized that the 'go along to get along' policies weren't working for Ohio(his single-issue focus). Is Kasich perfect, far from it, but he is more in tune with the average Second Amendment supporter than Strickland ever pretended to be.

    IMHO,
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    http://www.redstate.com/rs_insider/2010/06/15/national-rifle-associations-first-amendment-sellout/
     
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    NRA explanation. Bulge
     
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  15. Dr.Longshot

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    I did noit say Kasich is better, just NRA supporting a Democrat.

    GB DLS
     
  16. wireguy

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    The National Rifle Association’s Excuse Holds No Water

    Posted by Erick Erickson (Profile)

    Wednesday, June 16th at 11:26PM EDT

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    The National Rifle Association and its supporters are pushing back against conservatives who have accused the NRA of selling out to the left. The NRA worked with Democrats to carve out an exception from a new anti-free speech piece of legislation.

    As the Wall Street Journal notes, “Under the NRA carve-out in the House bill, the new rules won’t apply to any organizations that have been around for more than 10 years, have more than a million members and receive less than 15% of their funding from corporate donors. That fits the NRA nicely, though as best we can figure, everyone else, from the Sierra Club to Planned Parenthood, fails to qualify.”

    Push back from the NRA is very simple. The NRA claims it is a single issue organization solely focused on the second amendment.

    If that is true, why is the NRA dabbling in a first amendment issue? Well, from the NRA’s own statement the NRA says, “The most potent defense of the Second Amendment requires the most adamant exercise of the First Amendment. The NRA stands absolutely obligated to its members to ensure maximum access to the First Amendment, in order to protect and preserve the freedom of the Second Amendment.”

    Oh, so they are a two issue organization — defending the second amendment by using the first amendment.

    If that is truly the case, how then does it help the second amendment to have every other political organization bound by this new anti-free speech legislation except the NRA?

    The answer is that it does not help the second amendment. It helps the NRA. And the NRA is perfectly happy to use Democrats to acquire for itself monopoly status. The NRA wants to make itself the indispensable man on the second amendment.

    And that will be well and truly good for them until all the other organizations get weaker and weaker and some enterprising leftists in government then kill the NRA’s exemption. Hiding behind the NRA to eliminate all the other pro-freedom groups and then eliminating the NRA when no one else is left is just downright Alinski-ish.

    We hang together or separately.
     
  17. Gary Waalkes

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    Planned Parenthood hates guns, and the Sierra Club hates both guns and hunting. WTF?? Are you people stupid or stubborn or are you just too lazy to become informed?? The NRA will not get any additional support by spending political capital supporting those groups rights to speak. They need to fend for themselves. People love to post but they will not identify themselves, nor will they state the level of support they give to pro-gun orgs, and I strongly suspect they do not write to legislators or vote either.
     
  18. jpollo

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    I woull be the first to say the NRA does not do everthing as i thing they should, with that said, that is all we have to relay on. Without them the Kerry, Kenndy, and the rest of the liberals would take all our guns. With the way the government we need all the political force we can muster, we need to get out the vote and the NRA does that, keep the faith, do not through out the baby with the bath water. Do not underestimate Brady and her friends, they will take all guns.
     
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    Maybe the infamous Dr Longshot should resign from the human race, since there are many humans that don't agree with his point of view? Doc, do the research and then see where the chips lay. Get the facts!
     
  20. wireguy

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    It must be sweet to go through life giving blind allegience, never thinking, never reasoning. Anyone who cared to think, and reason, would properly reach the conclusion that if only NRA had free speech rights, and all other conservative groups were frozen out, the same people NRA just crawled into bed with would turn their tender attention to the only remaining target - and that target needn't expect any help from their erstwhile lovers of liberty who could no longer speak out.
     
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