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NRA corruption and cowardice again

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by wireguy, Oct 21, 2010.

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  1. wireguy

    wireguy TS Member

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    On page 54 of the new American Hunter is an article outlining the key races for the US Senate. Nowhere mentioned is the race between Sharon Angle and Harry Reid. What senate race could be more important than this one, and NRA doesn't even mention it? Someone in NRA has been bought and paid for, or else they are so scared of Reid that in spite of all their talk about how they are the big hammer they are really big cowards. It's just embarrassing watching this ongoing cowardice from such a chest beating organisation.
     
  2. porky

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    Yes, the NRA isn't got the leadership it used to have. Personal gains I believe that they call it.
     
  3. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    I got the November American Rifleman (with the Nevada center section)the other day and it rates Reid and Angle both with an A and specifically gives no endorsement on that race. The also had the same lack of comment about the Govenor's race with Rory Reid against Brian Sandaval.
     
  4. notarget

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    They have endorsed Liberal Democrats in the 5th and 9th districts of Virginia.
     
  5. Tripod

    Tripod Well-Known Member

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    The NRA endorses strictly on gun related issues. They take no other positions liberal or conservative.
     
  6. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    If both persons running are rated "A" then they (the NRA) cannot in good faith support one over the other.

    If a person is Democrat or republican is not there concern.

    Do we throw overboard the Democrats who in the past two years blocked anti-gun legislation from even coming to the floor in the House?

    If you want an organizations that just supports Pro Gun (Conservative) candidates, you need to join that other gun organization.
     
  7. R.Kipling

    R.Kipling Well-Known Member

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    Tell me this? - because the NRA has NOT felt the need to answer three snail mail letters and a dozen or more e-mails to the ILA?

    Is voting for two of the most anti-gun Supreme Court nominee's in the history of America count as a "gun-related" issue? Because if it does, 53 of the 58 D-congressmen being supported by the NRA and my money voted for both Sotomayor and Kagan. How do you get an A rating is such an event?

    After-the-fact, the NRA and the NRA-ILA have done nothing but cry and moan about our two latest Justices.......go figure.......

    Wayne and his bunch must go, just like this lamea** socialist parasite congress. If you can't tell, I'm sick and tired, of being sick and tired of these idiots, and the Dung Beetle public that supports them.

    IMHO,
    Kip
     
  8. WS-1

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    I am an American FIRST.

    I will always honor my pledge to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. I will honor the entire document, and the rights, processes, and laws therein.

    I am a political and social conservative.

    Paying some measly little annual membership fee to the NRA does not give them the right to bend you over and make you their bitch.

    The NRA is not the voice of Americans. Americans are the voice of the NRA!

    Socialist/communist democrats know that the COURTS will uphold the Constitution. They will tell voters anything to get elected. Because of Obama and a group of so-called pro-gun liberals, we as a nation are now one Supreme Court Justice away from a constitutional calamity of epoch proportions. Thank the NRA! I said, THANK THE NRA! One more Harry Reid radical leftist liberal justice replacing a conservative justice and your gun hugging days are OVER!

    Nobody gets a pass! Nobody!!! And particularly not the NRA. Mark my words, the sweet memories of plinking tin cans in the orchard are a FANTASY and it is time for all of us to wake up and stand up and fight for what matters....and that is the United States of America.

    Kit Thomas
     
  9. alfermann66

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    Tripod, in MO 4th district the GOA rated challenger Hartzler (R) an "A" and incumbant Skelton (D) a "C". The NRA shows Hartzler "unrated" and Skelton an "A". The health care debacle that passed the house the first time was voted for by Skelton. After he was almost lynched back home he voted against it the second time. If you wonder what that has to do with this discussion, Google and read the bill. It contains language that could be the death of your gun rights. Now, you do the math on the NRA.

    Buz
     
  10. g7777777

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    Buz who cares what the GOA says?

    The NRA is the only effective voice of gunowners- and the only one with any clout

    They rate on a single issue- thats it

    For those of you that are blinded republicans- thats as bad as being blinded by Unions or blinded democrat

    There are gun owners and supporters of all categories- colors- nationalities and ethnic groups

    Just because you are a republican means nothing in the world of shooting or gun rights

    Most if not all of you that are critical of the NRA are simply too cheap to become a life member or even a yearly member and your 20 bucks a year buys nothing except the magazine

    The is simple stuff- figure it out on your own-

    regards from Iowa

    Gene

    PS I tend to vote Republican- a lot but not all the time-
     
  11. WS-1

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    Hey Gene,

    Who cares what you say?

    Kit
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    But seriously... Reid? An A rating from the NRA? With a 43:1 vote AGAINST the Second Amendment? The NRA already upgraded Reid from an F to a B. Now that his opponent has hit the 50% mark they up Reid again to an A?

    Someone at the NRA needs to be held accountable for this backstabbing outrage.
     
  13. JH

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    We have been over this before, ZORRO (Don Diego Rivera a.k.a. Kit Thomas).....you MUST take off your mask and your cape when you type on the PC, it keeps stopping oxygen from reaching your brain......

    The NRA supports those who support gun rights...REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION....

    Gun Rights are No. 1......No.1...we are the National RIFLE Association....
    not the Angle Political Action Committee (APAC).....

    One more time, Zorro....we support those who support gun rights REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION.....

    Now, don't get on the horse until the concussions clear-up, you keep falling off and landing on your head because of that darned mask.......
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    <i>"The NRA supports those who support gun rights...REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION...."</i>

    And apparently the NRA also supports those who do not support gun rights. Like Reid.
     
  15. bigdogtx

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    Bangalore,

    You wrote, "The NRA supports those who support gun rights...REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION...."

    With the following votes by harry reid, he sure doesn't "look" like he is PRO gun,,,,

    1. June 28, 1991—Voted for a 5 day waiting period for handgun purchases (Vote No. 115).

    2. November 19, 1993—Voted to eliminate the five-year sunset in the Brady Bill's five day waiting period, which would have made the waiting period permanent (Vote No. 386).

    3. November 19, 1993—Voted to end a filibuster led by pro-gun Senators against the Brady Bill (Vote No. 387).

    4. November 20, 1993—Voted for the Brady Bill, which imposed a 5-day waiting period before purchasing a handgun (Vote No. 394).

    5. August 25, 1994—Voted to end a filibuster led by pro-gun Senators against the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on many semi-automatic firearms (the so-called "assualt weapons ban; Vote No. 294).

    6. August 25, 1994—Voted for the Clinton Crime Bill, which contained the ban on many semi-automatic firearms (the so-called "assault weapons" ban; Vote No. 295).

    7. April 17, 1996—Voted to expand the statute of limitations for paperwork violations in the National Firearms Act from 3 years to 5 years (Vote No. 64).

    8. June 27, 1996—Voted to destroy 176,000 M-1 Garand rifles from World War II, and 150 million rounds of .30 caliber ammunition, rather than giving them to the Federal Civilian Marksmanship program (Vote No. 178).

    9. September 12, 1996—Voted to spend $21.5 million for a study on putting "taggants" in black and smokeless gunpowder (Vote No. 287).

    10. September 12, 1996—Voted to make it a Federal crime to possess a gun within 1,000 feet of any school, private or public, and impose a 5-year prison sentence for violating the law (Vote No. 290).

    11. July 28, 1998—Voted against killing an amendment offered by Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) to prohibit the importation of firearm magazines holding over 10 rounds that were manufactured before the 1994 ban was enacted (Vote No. 240).

    12. May 12, 1999—Voted to ban the private sales of firearms at gun shows unless buyers submitted to background registration checks. Draconian restrictions would have also been imposed on gun show promoters, expanding federal authority in this area (Vote No. 111).

    13. May 13, 1999—Voted to ban the importation of ammunition magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds (Vote No. 116).

    14. May 14, 1999—Voted for an amendment introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) that would regulate the transfer of firearms over the Internet (Vote No. 119).

    15. May 18, 1999—Voted for an amendment to force gun sellers to include trigger locks with every handgun sold (Vote No. 122).

    16. May 20, 1999—Voted for legislation to subject repair shop and pawn shop transactions to the same registration and background check requirements as purchases from dealers—even if a person was reclaiming his own firearm (Vote No. 133).

    17. May 20, 1999—Voted for an amendment offered by Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ) that would ban private sales at gun shows, unless the buyer first submits to a background registration check. Even displaying a firearm at a gun show, and subsequently transferring that gun to a non-licensee, would result in a two-year prison sentence. The amendment would also have granted BATF open-ended inspection authority to harass vendors at gun shows, and explicitly gives BATF the right to keep a gun owner registration list for up to 90 days. This amendment passed 51-50, with Vice President Al Gore breaking the tie (Vote No. 134).

    18. May 20, 1999—Voted for the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill, which contained a host of gun control provisions (Vote No. 140).

    19. July 28, 1999—Voted to end a filibuster on the Clinton Juvenile Justice bill. The filibuster was led by Sen. Bib Smith (R-NH) because of concerns with the gun control provisions in the bill (Vote No. 224).

    20. February 2, 2000—Voted for an amendment offered by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) to help the cities bring frivolous suits against gun makers (Vote No. 4).

    21. March 2, 2000—Voted for an amendment offered by Sens. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) and Charles Schumer (D-NY) blaming school violence on the fact that Congress "failed to pass reasonable, common-sense gun control measures" and call for new gun ownership restrictions on the anniversary of the Columbine shootings (Vote No. 28).

    22. March 2, 2000—Voted to use Federal taxpayer funds to hand out anti-gun literature in schools and to run anti-gun public service announcements (Vote No. 32).

    23. April 6, 2000—Voted for and cosponsored a "sense of the Senate" amendment urging the passage of new gun control restrictions (Vote No. 64).

    24. March 2, 2000—Voted for an amendment offered by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) urging the passage of the ant-gun juvenile crime bill being opposed by GOA (Vote No. 28).

    25. April 10, 2000—Voted for a non-binding amendment offered by Sen. Jack Reed (D-RI) urging the House-Senate conferees to get the juvenile anti-gun bill to the floor of each chamber by April 20 (Vote No. 64).

    26. May 17, 2000—Voted with 29 other F-rated Senators against an amendment stating "the right of each law-abiding United States citizen to own a firearm for any legitimate purpose, including self-defense or recreation, should not be infringed." (Vote No. 103).

    27. May 17, 2000—Voted for a resolution praising the participants of the so-called Million Mom March, and calling on Congress to pass the anti-gun juvenile crime bill that GOA was fighting (Vote No. 104).

    28. April 2, 2001—Voted for the Incumbent Protection Act, so-called campaign finance reform (Vote No. 64).

    29. March 20, 2002—Voted to end a filibuster of the odious Incumbent Protection bill. The blatantly unconstitutional legislation squelches the voice of groups like Gun Owners of America in the final days before an election. By making it difficult, if not impossible, for groups to criticize the anti-gun actions of legislators prior to an election, incumbents are able to duck accountability for those actions (Vote No. 53).

    30. February 26, 2004—Voted for an amendment to require all handgun purchasers to pay an implicit "gun tax" by requiring them to buy a trigger lock when they purchase their handgun, irrespective of need. In addition, the amendment would create a broad cause of action against gun owners who fail to actually use the storage device to lock up their firearms (Vote No. 17).

    31. March 2, 2004—Voted to outlaw the private sale of firearms at gun shows unless the buyer agrees to submit to an FBI background registration check. This legislative would have effectively eliminated gun shows because of stringent requirements placed on event sponsors (Vote No. 25).

    32. July 28, 2005—Voted for an amendment to require all handgun purchasers to pay an implicit "gun tax" by requiring them to buy a trigger lock when they purchase their handgun, irrespective of need (Vote No. 207).

    33. September 29, 2005—Voted against John Roberts for Supreme Court Justice. Roberts' record and testimony to the Senate show that he is strong advocate for Second Amendment rights. Had Reid's position prevailed on this vote, the 5-4 decisions in Heller and McDonald could have gone the other way (Vote No. 245).

    34. January 18, 2007—Voted against an amendment to strike language in a bill that would infringe upon the free speech rights of groups like GOA by requiring them to monitor and report on communications with members, and could easily have led to government demands for organizational membership list (a.k.a. registration) (Vote No. 17).

    35. January 31, 2006—Voted against Samuel Alito for Supreme Court Justice. Justice Alito's record and testimony to the Senate show that he is strong advocate for Second Amendment rights. Had Reid's position prevailed on this vote, the 5-4 decisions in Heller and McDonald could have gone the other way (Vote No. 2) .

    36. February 2, 2009—Voted to confirm Eric Holder as Attorney General. Holder was an anti-Second Amendment official for the Clinton administration, and has called for a renewal of the Clinton gun ban (Vote No. 32).

    37. March 19, 2009—Voted to massively expand the amount of land covered by the National Parks gun ban. As Majority Leader, Reid frustrated the efforts of pro-gun Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) for more than a year to repeal the gun ban. Sen. Coburn's position ultimately prevailed after overcoming Reid's opposition later in 2009 (Vote No. 106).

    38. June 25, 2009—Voted to confirm Harold Koh as Legal Advisor to the Department of State. GOA warned all Senators that Koh is a radical globalist pushing for worldwide gun control regulation, including the UN Treaty on Small Arms (Vote No. 213).

    39. August 6, 2009—Voted to confirm Sonya Sotomayor as Supreme Court Justice. GOA warned all Senators that Judge Sotomayor's record on gun rights was one of hostility to the Second Amendment, which was born out in her dissent in the McDonald decision (Vote No. 262).

    40. September 9, 2009—Voted to confirm Cass Sunstein as Administrator of Regulatory Affairs (Regulatory Czar). GOA notified all Senators that Cass Sunstein is a radical leftist who would like to ban hunting and give animals some of the same rights as humans in the courtroom (Vote No. 273).

    41. November 19, 2009—Reid voted to confirm the highly controversial Richard Hamilton to the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals. Judge Hamilton has stated that the Founding Fathers intended judges to amend the Constitution through “evolving case law” (Vote No. 350).

    42. December 24, 2009—Reid used his position as Majority Leader to pass the ObamaCare legislation. This bill will allow the BATFE and FBI to troll through the ObamaCare database for gun owners who would be disqualified because of their medical information (Vote No. 396).

    43. March 25, 2010—Reid voted against an amendment offered by Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) to prevent Veterans from losing their Second Amendment rights without due process of law (Vote No. 94).

    Are there some votes by reid, which also included voting for the last 2 SCOTUS nominees who don't seem to be very pro-gun, that the NRA knows about that I don't?????

    Gene,,,,if the membership dues all goes towards to the magazine,,,,why not just sell it on the newsstand,,,,,why the need of a membership????
     
  16. JerryP

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    They want each member to get the magazine. I would wager most people don't read their NRA mail but read the magazine. When it is time for an NRA election, the magazine suggests who to vote for. they always suggest voting for the incumbent. A lot of crap goes on behind the scenes but it's the best organization we have. The NRA is not a political organization, that is the ILA's job.
     
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