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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Remstar311, Jul 2, 2010.

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  1. Remstar311

    Remstar311 Member

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    Now they sound as if they oppose Kagan, they didn't a few days ago.
     
  2. Remstar311

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    I'm glad to see that they are adressing the issues. I would like to see what they say about the possible endorsement of Harry Reid. Don't get me wrong, I am a member and support the NRA. Actions speak louder than words, so we will see I suppose.
     
  3. halfmile

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    They have endorsed no one in any contest anywhere.

    They will not do so until much later in the process.

    Video on NRA site, put Harry Reid in seach box.

    HM
     
  4. jimrich60

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    As I said on another one of these threads, there suddenly seem to be a lot of stories about how the NRA is suddenly become a part of the left wing movement. Sounds much the campaigns to discredit President Bush we endured for 8 years, and even more recently, the campaign by the dems and the media to tear down Governor Palin. When the dems fear some one or some organization, they generally get their pet poodles in the media to start running disinformation on that person or organization. I suspect that they are doing it again, this time to the NRA. You don't believe the other garbage in the media any more, why does anyone assume they are telling the truth about the NRA?

    Jim R
     
  5. bigdogtx

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    Here is a copy of a letter sent to the NRA regarding endorsement of Reid. While they did not "officially" endorse him, they are certainly touting him. I realize that, as stated in the letter, that they are "one issue" driven. BUT,,,,with what Reid is doing, they should think REAL HARD before giving him any campaign money,,,,or they may lose more than my friend Phil....

    "-----Original Message-----

    From: ILA-Contact [mailto:ILA-Contact@nrahq.org]

    Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 1:25

    PMTo: Phillip Pxxxxx

    Subject: Reid

    Dear Mr. Pxxxxx,

    Thank you for contacting NRA-ILA regarding the recent rumor that NRA-PVF has indicated they will endorse Harry Reid.

    Regarding any potential endorsement of Sen. Reid in the upcoming elections, NRA-PVF has not yet announced any ratings or endorsements in this race. Ratings and endorsements will be determined closer to the election. It is important to note, however, that the NRA is a single issue organization and that when our ratings and endorsements are announced, they are based solely on a candidate's support for, or opposition to, our Second Amendment rights. Other issues, as important as they may be to many people, do not and cannot play any role in those decisions. NRA represents a broad coalition of American gun owners, who are bound together by their support for the right to keep and bear arms.

    In 2004, Senator Reid was rated "B" in his reelection by the NRA Political Victory Fund. Since then, as U.S. Senate Majority Leader,Senator Reid has proven himself to be a supporter of our SecondAmendment rights. It would be accurate to say that few, if any, of NRA's legislative victories in Congress during the last six years would have occurred without his active support.

    As an example, he was instrumental in Senate passage (and eventual enactment into law) of the "Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act "(PLCAA)", which shut down reckless lawsuits against gun manufacturers and dealers that attempted to hold them liable for the misuse off irearms by criminals. Sen. Reid also cosponsored S. 659 (PLCCA) in the 108th Congress and voted against "poison pill" amendments to it, including the Feinstein Amendment to renew the federal ban on so-called "assault weapons", and the Kennedy Amendment that would have banned most hunting ammunition.

    I tinkered with this to make it more effective

    Following Hurricane Katrina, he voted for legislation, that is now federal law, to prohibit gun confiscation during states of emergency. He also voted for legislation to allow commercial airline pilots to be armed in the cockpit to protect their passengers and crew. In this congressional session, Sen. Reid voted for the Ensign Amendment to repeal Washington D.C.'s gun ban and restore self-defense rights in ournation's capital. He cosponsored similar legislation--S. 1414--in the108th Congress. He also voted for an amendment to allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms for self-defense in national parks and wildlife refuges. This federal policy change just took effect onFebruary 22.

    Early last year, Sen. Reid emphatically stated that he would oppose any effort to reinstate an "assault weapons" ban if the Senate were to vote on it in the future. In addition, he voted last year for the Thune-Vitter Amendment to provide national reciprocity for state Right-to-Carry permits. He also voted twice for the Wicker Amendment allowing Amtrak passengers to include firearms in their checked luggage. These votes were possible only because of Senator Reid's actions in his capacity as Senate Majority Leader. Finally, he was among the 58 Senators who signed the pro-gun congressional amicus brief in the McDonald v. Chicago case, argued before the U.S. Supreme Court on March 2nd, which will decide whether the Second Amendment applies to all states and localities.

    Most recently, the NRA worked with Sen. Reid to include in his manager's amendment to the health care reform bill a provision that prohibits the disclosure or collection of information relating to the lawful ownership, use or storage of firearms or ammunition and also prohibits lawful gun ownership, possession and use from being used as a factor to determine eligibility or premium rates for health insurance. This provision was adopted on December 22, 2009 and was included in this legislation when it was signed into law on March 23.

    Finally, Senator Reid is opposed to any anti-gun treaties that might come before the U.S. Senate for ratification.

    These are a few examples of Senator Reid's support and leadership on Second Amendment issues. Given the Senate could vote on gun-related issues in the coming months, rest assured any votes will be considered in future candidate evaluations. Regarding NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre and NRA-ILA Executive Director Chris Cox recently attending the grand opening of the Clark County Shooting Park (CCSP)with U.S. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and other Nevada elected officials.

    The CCSP is the largest shooting park in the world. This 2,900-acre state-of-the-art facility is devoted entirely to the shooting sports andis the nation's premier shooting park. As the nation's largest shooting sports organization, the NRA's presence at the ribbon-cutting ceremony should come as no surprise. NRA actively worked with several Members of the Nevada congressional delegation, including Senator Reid, to ensure that this range was built. The development and construction of the CCSP has the full bipartisan support of the Nevada congressional delegation, and Nevada's Republican Governor.

    Senator Reid was instrumental in arranging not only the transfer of thethen-federal lands to Clark County where the Park is located, but alsoin securing $61 million in funding to develop and build the Park. The Clark County Shooting Park would not have been built without his active efforts and support.

    Once again, thank you for your inquiry.

    Yours in Freedom,

    Susan Christman

    NRA-ILA Grassroots Division


    -----Original Message-----

    From: NRA Auto Responder [mailto:nra.auto-responder@nrahq.org]

    Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 12:03

    PMTo: Membership

    Subject: Contact from NRAHQ web site: Membership/General Comments

    Contact type: Membership/General Comments Name: Phillip Pxxxxx

    Message: I just read Erick Erickson's article at RedState.com soundingthe alarm about a possible endorsement of Harry Reid by the NRA against pro-gun champion Sharron Angle. He suggests this is payback for the
    carve-out NRA got in the recent campaign legislation passed by Congress(the DISCLOSE ACT). Based on your criteria for endorsement, Reid would not qualify. Angle is definitely a friend of gun owners.

    Endorse Harry Reid, and I am through with the NRA forever. It's as simple as that. You should immediately post an article denying any plans to endorse Reid and endorsing Angle. Otherwise, members will be in doubt.
     
  6. JH

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    Ahem......how can I put this diplomatically, tactfully?

    It seems there is a dedicated group of left wing (Moveon.org, HCI?) moles posing as pro-gun supporters poisoning the minds of gun-owners against the premier pro-gun organization in the world, THE NRA.....

    Reminds me of the English-speaking Nazi infiltrators dressed as American troops during the Battle of the Bulge......

    It wont' work: Join the NRA! Fight the gun-grabbers and assorted cretins attacking
    it. JOIN THE NRA....Protect your gun rights!
     
  7. bigdogtx

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    Bang,,,,if you are trying to lump me in the "moles",,,,you are gravely mistaken. This is the letter that I got from a friend of mine that is more of a gun nut than I am.

    I have sent my own letter to the NRA and await their response. I was VERY surprised on Susan Christman's response,,,,and while they may endorse him on matters of 2nd Amendment,,,,due to his OTHER works,,,,there may be many, including me that will no longer send money during their solicitations.....
     
  8. mx2k33

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    Plausible deniability. Reid may be pro gun in some instances, but his staunch support of anti-gun Supreme Court nominees and the Obama agenda will assure his "support" of 2nd Amendment issues in Congress will be largely irrelevant if the RTKBA is "not guaranteed" by the Constitution in a future ruling. Nevertheless, he will retain a high rating and contined support by the NRA while accelerating the demise of our rights via these "rope-a-dope" tactics. Curious how the NRA has been duped here.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    Wayne probably got a fire lit under him by members, especially after endorsing McCain.
     
  10. JH

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    For those who live in a fantasy world of ABSOLUTES.....the enemy is in power (thanks to many idiot conservatives who refused to vote for McCain/Palin because McCain 'was not conservative enough.') Look where it got you.

    The NRA seeks to protect gun rights under these dire circumstances. In a continuum of lef twing a-holes in power, you do have to build bridges with the "lesser aholes" in terms of supporting gun rights.

    Be intelligent not intransigent....LIFE IS NOT THAT SIMPLE....support the unrelenting pro-gun organization in the world: NRA....

    Don't cannibilize your own.....Stop acting like children...USE YOUR HEADS!
     
  11. Don Steele

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    Don't know if some of what we've been reading is fact from the NRA, or "drivel and disinformation" from "bowel-movement.org" and DON'T CARE.
    UNLIKE the obamabots...I can read facts, and follow a candidates ACTIONS. I don't need some umbrella organization...be it the NRA, AFL-CIO, or the Democrat party to tell me who I should be supporting.
    If you pay attention, when it's time to vote....you'll know who your friends are...AND who are your enemies.
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    How about you guys whining about those choosing not to support anti-gun Republicans do something about putting better conservatives into office? Many gunowners are sick and tired of being treated like second class citizens or worse by RINOs. If you want something done, don't admonish those who vote third party or sit the election out. Fix the damn problem in the first place.
     
  13. JH

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    Brian, Brian, Brian......let's see....as we all can attest, in the last election there was a choice between Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin.....you chose to "sit out" the election and by omission, contributed to the election of Obama/Biden.....sitting things out IS TANTAMOUNT TO VOTING FOR THE LIBERALS.....you are seemingly (from previous posts) and intelligent person.....

    WHAT THE F@$% ARE YOU THINKING??????

    Sitting things out is a defacto vote for our enemies.....again,

    HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND?
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    You're guessing again. I voted for Palin, which automatically meant I voted for McCain, and had to rinse my mouth out after I did it.

    My point, apparently lost on you, is that a lot of people sat it out or voted third party. Scolding them is not going to fix what is broken. What will get them back into the fold is to stop supporting anti-gun RINOs, who are from the liberal wing of the GOP, and all too often aid and abet the liberals.

    You better come to the realization of this truth: THERE IS NOT ONE PIECE OF ANTI-GUN LEGISLATION THAT PASSED WITHOUT THE HELP OF SOME REPUBLICANS.

    You do not make friends and supporters amongst gunowners by crapping on them like that. The RNC needs to make this a party platform, violation of which is lack of funding for elections. The Alaska delegation tried to get that written into the party platform in the 1990's, but the RINOs shouted them down.

    Now, please, do something CONSTRUCTIVE about the problem instead of belittling and scolding others, which accomplishes precisely NOTHING.
     
  15. JH

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    Brian,

    It seems you harbor some deep resentment toward RINO candidates....hopefully, you do the same for DNC Anti-gun Liberals.....

    Perhaps your problem is that you view the world in ABSOLUTE terms. No one here said ALL REPUBLICANS ARE PRO-GUN. There are anti-gun Republicans, anti-gun Independents, anti-gun Socialists, anti-gun Communists, anti-gun Democrats.....no one party is PURE....this is not about political party PURITY, this is about the ISSUE OF FIREARMS OWNERSHIP and who-with political clout-supports it!

    Firearms ownership is ensured when PEOPLE IN POWER support gun rights....the issue is to access political power to ensure gun rights.....marginal/fringe pro-gun groups with NO POLITICAL POWER only serve to divide and weaken the one imperfect group that does: NRA.....it makes no sense to weaken your imperfect friend when in these political times, ITS THE ONLY EFFECTIVE FRIEND YOU GOT!
     
  16. Brian in Oregon

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    Absolute terms? When it comes to the SECOND AMENDMENT you're damn right I do.

    Once we lose a right, it is almost always gone forever.

    Being one of those screwed over by the NRA's pet FOPA'86, I vowed to never get screwed over again, by friend or foe, and to fight anyone, friend or foe, who attacks the Second Amendment.

    I stand on the side of the Second Amendment first, and always. Period.

    This means I will vote third party when required if the conservative is anti-gun. They are a cancer on the GOP, and need to be excised. The amount of damage they do towards the Second Amendment is a lot greater than most conservatives realize, because they're so blind to the issue they don't bother to think about it. There is not one piece of anti-gun legislation in congress that passed without the support of anti-gun RINOs. Think about that carefully. Anti-gun laws could be stopped tomorrow at the national level if the RNC made it a GOP party platform and cut off campaign funds to those GOP turncoats siding with anti-gun liberals.

    So I'm going to turn this around and put the blame right back where it belongs... on conservative voters who keep electing these anti-gun RINOs. If you don't like losing support to third parties, then start thinking about the Second Amendment during the primaries, even for the incumbents, and act accordingly.

    Or just keep voting for anti-gun RINOs and keep crying the blues when your support goes away.

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    Edit: Even the NRA has started to realize this. They backed a pro-gun Strickland, a Democrat over anti-gun RINO Kasich in Ohio. So please tell me if you think the NRA is wrong.
     
  17. JH

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    Brian,

    You are still ticked about the "Black Gun Ban" and continue to blame the RINOS. Your anger BLINDS you. Of course, the NRA is right in supporting a pro-gun candidate regardless of party affiliation. The NRA is a single issue organization: Protecting Gun Rights. If a blue-dog Democrat, Independent, or even liberal Democrat votes solidly pro-gun, they are DOING THE RIGHT THING by supporting their candidacy.

    Support those in POWER (or, who will get elected) who support gun rights, period. And, if you are as adamant about protecting gun rights as you claim to be, you would see this.

    Hell, I would vote for the evil witch Pelosi if she voted consistently for gun-rights....but, you see, I consider her an EVIL WITCH in the first place, because she does not support gun rights.....

    There is a catch: If there is a moderate pro-gun politician who yields lots of power and a rabid pro-gun candidate who does not have a chance in HELL of getting elected and seizing power.....INTELLIGENT PEOPLE would vote for the moderate pro-gun politician. You see, UNLESS YOU HAVE POWER TO PROTECT GUN RIGHTS, YOU CAN'T......Repeat again, UNLESS YOU CAN BE ELECTED AND SEIZE POWER, YOU CANNOT PROTECT GUN RIGHTS.......So, if in the coming election there is a candidate who WILL GET ELECTED and is pro-gun, vote for him/her, party affiliation is not important.

    Focus Brian....Focus......
     
  18. wireguy

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    Hell, I would vote for the evil witch Pelosi if she voted consistently for gun-rights....

    You reveal yourself well Bangalore. It is you who is blind. Supporting the second ammendment at the expense of the others is stupid and short sighted, and there is no justifiable reason for it. The wise man, and the fully mature organisation, supports liberty across the board, not merely one part of that spectrum at the expense of the rest. If you think that because NRA is a single issue organisation they are justified in doing deals with the enemy at the expense of liberty across the board, you are un- American. Their decision was morally repugnant and tactically stupid.
     
  19. JH

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    Wire-guy....you have revealed yourself....the Second Amendments is NOT the most important issue for you....protecting gun rights is not your focus....you seek to weaken and divide the most politically powerful pro-gun organization for your own agenda.....you are a defacto anti-gunner.....as I suspected, unwittingly an ally for anti-gun groups.......You see,

    The Second Amendment IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AMENDMENT.
    Pro-gun Politicians Must Be In Power to Protect Gun Rights
    If you don't value private firearms ownership, you are THE ENEMY!

    In terms of gun legislation, there are active/aggressive anti-gunners and there are those who indirectly put them in power....you belong to the latter!

    THE SECOND AMENDMENT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. I don't think a "wise man" indirectly supports those who seek to ban guns. You sir, are no PATRIOT!
     
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    You sir, are a fool. You cannot see that losing one liberty to secure another is un-acceptable and is utterly the road to despotism. No, the second ammendment is not the most important if "most important" means we compromise the others. We give up nothing to the enemy. Nothing. It isn't a matter of which liberty we lose to "secure" another. We don't compromise ANY of our liberties, ever, period.

    You are a compromiser. You represent yourself as a patriot but you are not. Patriots do not sell out any of their liberties, for any reason, and patriots do not sell out their brothers in the fight for liberty. NRA did. It is a matter of record. They sold out their fellow fighters for liberty. You can live with that, and even embrace it. I will not.
     
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