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  1. buzzgun

    buzzgun Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Jim F.,

    I was getting a little concerned about Lloyd Carr's continuing employment prospects at Michigan (given that we Buckeyes like him so much...)...but have no fear...I think we finally found an opponent the Wolverines can beat next week! (Looks like the Fightin' Irish could be Michigan's dream come true)...


    Down the drain

    By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
    September 8, 2007

    STATE COLLEGE, Pa. – The good news for Notre Dame and Michigan is they will play in a bowl game this year. Unfortunately it's the Toilet Bowl (brought to you by Unimaginative Game Plans screwed up by Slow, Confused Players).

    It's scheduled for Saturday in Ann Arbor, Mich.

    The two winningest programs in Division I-A history are not just both 0-2, they are so pathetically 0-2 that Duke and Temple are laughing.

    The Irish lost 31-10 here Saturday night, which had less to do with Penn State looking like a good team than Notre Dame being an almost incomprehensibly awful one.

    A true top-25 team would have beaten Notre Dame 222-0. Penn State was, for most of the game, lousy – turnovers, bad play calling, terrible execution. Notre Dame was just worse.

    The 110,078 white-clad fans here whooped it up plenty. And they should. Hey, it's still fun beating the Irish, even if they couldn't rush a fraternity. But the fact this was a 17-10 game deep in the third quarter before an understandably worn-out Notre Dame defense faded fast doesn't bode well for the season. Of course, Penn State is in the sagging Big Ten.

    In this one, the Lions had the luxury of playing with no sense of urgency. Notre Dame's offense isn't so much weak as just nonexistent. It's like boxing a man with no arms – even if you have trouble swatting flies, you like your chances eventually.

    "So many three and outs," said Irish coach Charlie Weis, whose offense stumbled and bumbled to 10 consecutive futile drives before Penn State felt so bad for them they committed a penalty to get the chains moved. (It was quite a collegiate gesture.)

    "It was just sputtering after sputtering," Weis said.

    Notre Dame scored 10 points. One was an interception return for a touchdown. The other was when Tom Zbikowski returned a punt to the Penn State 7. When he stepped out of bounds so close to the end zone you could see his frustration because deep down he knew there was no way, no how Notre Dame could score a touchdown, even sitting first and goal.

    And they didn't, kicking on fourth and 5.

    The Irish offense hasn't scored a touchdown all season. You'd call that its most embarrassing shutout except that Notre Dame didn't manage a single net yard rushing in this game.

    And you'd call that the Irish offense's worst stat, but it actually is an improvement over last week, when Notre Dame rushed for minus-8 yards against Georgia Tech.

    So, Big Charlie, what's wrong?

    "That's a good question," Weis said. "I don't have the answer."

    Personally, I had full faith that Weis was a top-line coach and that once he got talent throughout the program – recruiting is strong – he'd get the Irish back into the big time. I still believe this, actually, and I was one of the few sober people within 10 miles of State College on Saturday.

    But Weis is testing everyone's faith right now because it isn't just a lack of talent that is Notre Dame's problem. It is the lack of execution, the sloppiness, the silliness, the sheer disorganization of the team.

    A well-coached team at least maximizes what it has. This team minimizes.

    Even on the rare occasions Notre Dame actually did something positive (say freshman Jimmy Clausen completing a 43-yard pass); the Irish shot themselves in the foot (called back due to a hold).

    For most of the game Notre Dame was penalized for more yards than it gained. The Irish finished with 14 flags for 97 yards, often critical errors at the absolute wrong moment.

    For fun, let's rank our five favorite ridiculously terrible Notre Dame penalties:

    5. The hold on a touchback.

    4. The offsides following a delay of game.

    3. The needless facemask on a sack that would have forced fourth down.

    2. The personal foul when they tackled the Penn State punt returner before he could even make a fair catch.

    1. The delay of game following a timeout.

    We probably could have made this a top 10.

    "That was miserable," Weis said.

    This entire game was. Penn State put on quite a show, a jammed and jumping overflow crowd in all white. But they mostly watched a tractor pull of a game, stops and starts and blown gaskets.

    Weis only could offer praise for the effort of his defense and the potential of Clausen.

    "Although I'm not doing cartwheels," Weis said.

    And just when you thought nothing could be uglier than the Notre Dame offense.

    In all the weeks in all the stadiums of all the teams I've ever covered, Notre Dame was the worst high major college football team I've ever seen. Of course, I haven't seen Michigan in person this season – yet.

    "I can't be worrying about Michigan," Weis said. "(But, these days,) it doesn't make a difference what your name is."

    Two of the biggest names of all time (if not the biggest) meet next week in what for decades has been a great rivalry with national implications. Instead we'll find out who's better, Michigan's collapsing program or Notre Dame's down in the dumps one?

    In ESPN's "Bottom 10" rankings last week the Wolverines and Irish were labeled the fifth- and 10th-worst teams.

    It turns out they were overrated.

    (Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast).
  2. The Stive

    The Stive Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    It could be a dog fight, but then again. When two so so teams meet, one has
    to win and one has to lose. John
  3. Hauxfan

    Hauxfan Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I know it isn't realistic of me to hope for a 0-0 tie.

    But maybe it could end up with Michigan beating Notre Dumb in triple overtime by kicking a field goal or getting a safety on the last play of the overtime......

    Sounds good to me!

  4. Bluzman98

    Bluzman98 Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    No offense, but who cares...they both suck this year. I was hoping for much more from both teams this year.


    Jim Cruz
  5. tomlieb

    tomlieb Member

    Jan 18, 2006
    This will be the "Special Olympics" of this year's College football
  6. buzzgun

    buzzgun Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Yessss...! Go Wolvers.

    ...Lloyd Carr is safe for another week.
  7. tachyon

    tachyon Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    ummmmm, Washington is the Huskies, the Huskers are from Nebraska
  8. BDodd

    BDodd TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    What everyone fails to notice in the last long thread regarding Michigan and this one is that eventually we'll just have to comment on how the lowly Oregon Ducks are opening some serious containers of whup hienie; NO?.....
  9. buzzgun

    buzzgun Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    In five weeks, does anybody else wonder if Notre Dame could possibly be 0-8?

    ...until they play Navy, is there anyone else they could potentially beat?

    ND should have joined Big 10 when they had the chance.
  10. Ali

    Ali TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    That's nothing... Let's not forget the first game of the season at PSU against FIU...

    The highlights...

    8. Just knowing that the final score was 59-0

    7. Connor laying out Younger for a loss of 14 yards.

    6. A grand total of 8 fumbles.

    5. Sacking Younger on 2nd and 10 for a loss of six... Then five seconds later again on 3rd and 16 for a loss of 4.

    4. Fumble by FIU on third down to be followed by a fumble by PSU on the next play (handoff). Someone in the media room shouts "It must be raining or something."

    3. Singleton fumbling the kick-off return.

    2. PSU's complete wipe-out of a punt returner before the ball even hit his hands.

    1. Ref: "Prior to the snap, the entire defensive line moved." (Hint-Lions were on offense).
  11. Ken X

    Ken X TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Notre Dame must REALLY SUCK when Michigan can beat them!
  12. claybrdr

    claybrdr Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    I was hoping Duke would break their string of losses vs ND but they had to play Northwestern first...
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