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Norway Shooting+++++++++++

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by SMOKEIT, Jul 24, 2011.

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  1. SMOKEIT

    SMOKEIT Well-Known Member

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    How can someone shoot people for a hour and a half without someone shooting back. Does nobody in Norway have guns besides the criminals? Where were the cops? 90 minutes shooting people--unbelievable.........SMOKIT
     
  2. bill1949

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    The news media is calling the Norway killer a right winger. Wonder why they don't call muslim terrorists left wingers?...Bill
     
  3. Setterman

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    Due to the remote location, it took the authorities 1 1/2 hours to get there. The news said Norway has few gun related incidents.

    What amazed me was the fact that this coward surrendered in lieu of fighting it out with the police when they approached.

    I'm sure he plans on having a long drawn out trial and get his name and faction plastered all over world news.
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

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    Why wouldn't he surrender? The most time he can serve under Norwegian law is 21 years. Yeah, they have that much politically correct coddling of criminals there. I would hope this shocking fact wakes them up that extreme liberalism and socialism is not the best choice. Alas, I think all that will happen there are extreme gun bans.
     
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    <i>Wonder why they don't call muslim terrorists left wingers?</i>

    Because they're not left wing.
     
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    ...guess they didn't feel they needed them at a youth camp on an island...<I>Gun Politics in Norway</I>
    The attacks were not random....

    The guy apparently had 2 motives: <UL><LI>the bombs were intended to kill politicians of Norway's ruling party<LI>the youth camp he attacked is owned/run by Norway's Labor Party which he views as responsible for supporting legislation that he felt were facilitating the rising power of radical Islam in Europe</ul>

    MK
     
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    Does anyone know what weapons were used?

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  9. Mark-in-Maine

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    He was able to shoot as long as he did because he was in a "gun free" zone.
    Norway prohibits most law-abiding citizens from owning guns.
     
  10. Unknown1

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    <blockquote>"Norway prohibits most law-abiding citizens from owning guns."</blockquote>No, it doesn't...hunting and sport shooting are popular in Norway. Owning guns for these reasons simply requires a written statement outlining the reason for ownership (hunting or sport) and requires the owner to be 21 yrs old. (Read "Gun Politics in Norway" above). Guns for self defense are a different story and are highly regulated. There are a huge number of unregistered shotguns in Norway as registration for them wasn't required until the early '90s.

    Besides, gun laws in Norway are similar to gun laws in the US in that they are easily circumvented and that they don't protect society against stolen-gun crimes.

    Finland (Norway's neighbor) has exhibited a typically American knee-jerk reaction by announcing that it is putting tougher gun laws on the fast track to enactment.

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    I saw on the news that the judge is not allowing the media or mob into the courtroom.

    Good for him. He's denying the shooter media exposure.
     
  12. Unknown1

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    The guy doesn't need media exposure. Most everybody in Europe knows and understands what motivated the guy's actions while most Americans haven't got an inkling about what's been going on over there in recent years.

    Anti-immigration, particularly anti-Islamic, sentiments have been rising in most of Europe for years. The politics of entire countries have been shifted by the rise of anti-immigration parties and movements.

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    To add insult to injury, he will get out in 16 years if he behaves himself in prison.

    Even stranger, there is no provision for concurrent sentences!
     
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    Acording to the New York Times headline this guy was a "Christian".
     
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    "Wonder why they don't call muslim terrorists left wingers?"

    Muslim terrorists are religious fanatics, just like this Norway shooter, who is a christian fundamentalist. They are right-wing. Left winger liberals and communists usually don't believe in God. It's the believers that are at war with each other.
     
  16. Rick Barker

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    A person is not a Christian, because he or she call themselves one. They are a Christian because they behave like did and believe in him.

    Anyone who has spilled blood is Christ's name has failed himself.

    You leftists wingnuts are funny.

    Hitler was a leftist and was responsible for more murders than anyone else that has ever lived before or ever after. He did not believe in Christ either.
     
  17. capulona

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    Hitler may not have believed in Christ, but he certainly believed in God (and used religion as a tool for oppression):

    To the extent he believed in a divinity, Hitler did not believe in a "remote, rationalist divinity" but in an "active deity,"[73] which he frequently referred to as "Creator" or "Providence". In Hitler's belief God created a world in which different races fought each other for survival as depicted by Arthur de Gobineau. The "Aryan race," supposedly the bearer of civilization, is allocated a special place:

    What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and the reproduction of our race ... so that our people may mature for the fulfilment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. ... Peoples that bastardize themselves, or let themselves be bastardized, sin against the will of eternal Providence.[73]

    In November 1936 the Roman Catholic prelate Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber met Hitler at Berghof for a three hour meeting. He left the meeting convinced that "Hitler was deeply religious" and that 'The Reich Chancellor undoubtedly lives in belief in God..He recognises Christianity as the builder of Western culture'.[74]

    Hitler viewed the Jews as enemies of all civilization and as materialistic, unspiritual beings, writing in Mein Kampf: "His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine." Hitler described his supposedly divine mandate for his anti-Semitism: "Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."[75]
     
  18. Rick Barker

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    Yes, he did use God as a weapon to stir people up and that is done by a lot of fanatics.

    He was raised as a Catholic and endorsed Christianity for the state, but he did not practice it.

    How do you think he reconciled Jesus being a Jew?

    You said:

    "Left winger liberals and communists usually don't believe in God. It's the believers that are at war with each other."

    Hitler was a Socialist. "National Socialists Party", Nazi's

    So, is there in error in your statement or do you stand by it?
     
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    There's qualifier in there, which is usually. In this case he used religion, or pretended he was Christian.

    The point I was trying to make is that religion is not for everyone, because it can be misused.
     
  20. cmmonaco78

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    Rick Barker,

    Your actually wrong in both of your statements. Hitler was a far right fundamentalist. He was a Fascist. Fascism is as far right as you can get. Just as communism is as far left as you can get. Hitler also did not kill as many people as Stalin and Pol Pot. Both have all killed more people then hitler in terms of body count. Statements that we make that have little basis in fact have a tendency to make us look asinine in retrospect. Do your homework.

    Christopher Monaco
     
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