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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by BIGDON, Jul 10, 2007.

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  1. BIGDON

    BIGDON Well-Known Member

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    The same. Residents shoot for resident trophies and non-residents shoot for non-resident trophies. If it's an open trophy then it's a free for all.

    Don
     
  2. grammie

    grammie TS Member

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    Thats the words!!!! "free for all"!!! I have been involved in one of those in New Mexico,,at their state shoot,,,when it was over,,,I claimed class A singles open class winner,,,But it took several weeks to sort it out before I was awarded the trophy...

    AKA Grammie.........
     
  3. Beancounter

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    rev- gotta look at the program. If it is resident and open, that means the residents get an extra bite at the apple. If it is residents and non-residents, you can actually win a trophy with a lower score than the residents.
     
  4. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    Indiana has the WORST trophy list I have ever looked at for an "out of state" shooter. Their program needs a VERY LARGE overhaul.

    GS
     
  5. jevoliva

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    midalake --

    how is that possible? We have 161 open and non-resident trophies up for grabs.

    Also, I do the program. What kind of overhuals are needed?

    John
     
  6. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    I do not have the program any more I tossed it. But if my memory serves me correctly.........Almost all of the prelim events NO seperate Resident/non resident classes All open. [very lame] And during the events where Indania does have two catagories there is s very short list of trophies....again if I remember No champion/ runner up, class only or vise versa........DOES ANYONE LOOK AT PROGRAMS ANY MORE!!!!! Just look at some good programs.......its LAME.

    GS
     
  7. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    OK I just clicked on the "winners" list from day one. Events 1-6 are listed. In these events there are ONLY 4 dedicated trophies for Non-residents. {oh ya} The "open" trophies I could win too........ My point is when you look at this program it sucks........LOOK AT OTHER STATE SHOOT PROGRAMS!!!!!!!!!!!
    Posted below is the trophy winners from last years Wisconsin State shoot. DO YOU SEE A DIFFERENCE!!!! Here is the link......ENJOY http://www.wisata.org/stateshoot/results/2006/tuesday.htm#e2

    Event #2 - "Norma Gross" Handicap
    100 Handicap Targets
    183 Entries (230 Last Year)

    Resident

    Category
    Winner
    Score

    Champion
    John Coniff
    96

    19-21
    Michael Traeger
    95

    22-23
    Ken Prince
    95

    24-25
    Daniel Ehlers
    94

    26-27
    Scott Wirtz
    96

    Lady
    Karen Stingl
    90

    Junior
    Erik Lorenz
    90

    Sub-Junior
    Vincent Ghiselli
    84

    Veteran
    David Lehtola
    94

    Sr. Vet.
    Rodney Overson
    93

    Non-Resident

    Category
    Winner
    Score

    Champion
    Joseph Jeffers
    97

    19-21
    Mark Vance
    95

    22-23
    Dave Radosta
    93

    24-25
    Larry Holowinski
    92

    26-27
    Dennis Van Buren
    91

    Lady
    Wanda Zimmerman
    92

    Junior
    Jeremiah Gallup
    88

    Sub-Junior
    Michael Brooks
    89

    Veteran
    Allen Mielke
    91

    Sr. Vet
    Sam Persico
    92
     
  8. jevoliva

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    On Thursdays Singles: NR 1st and 2nd in each class, champion category = 15 trophies

    Thursday's Handicap: NR Champ & R/U, Champions Category = 7 trophies

    Friday's Doubles: NR 1st in each class, champions category = 10 trophies

    Friday's Handicap: NR Champ & Runner-Up, high score yardage group (3), champ category = 10 trophies

    Saturday's Singles: NR Champ & Runner-Up, 1st in each class, champions categories = 12 trophies

    Sunday's Doubles: NR Champ & Runner-up, first each class, category champions = 12 trophies

    Sunday's Handicap: NR Champ & Runner-up, high score each yardage group (3), category champions = 10 trophies

    HAA: NR champion & Runner Up, 1st each class, category champions = 12 trophies

    HOA: NR Champ (+$50 added money), RU, 1st in each class, category champs = 12 trophies

    By my calculations, that is 100 dedicatated NR trophies and $50 added money. We revieweed Ohio, Michigan, Illinois and Kentucky programs when we increased the NR trophies about 4-5 years ago and this made us, by far, have the most dedicated NR trophies in the area.

    I will take a look at Wisconsin's program to see how it compares.

    Sincerely,

    John Voliva
     
  9. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    Maybe "midalake" would like to volunteer to be the Trophy Chairman so the perceived Indiana mess can get straightened out.

    Curt
     
  10. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    No I do not want to be the trophy chairman........but an "open" Trophy is NOT a non resident trophy........Sorry your trophy list is weak. I am surprized your in state shooters do not say more........if you ever get a big non resident crew, [which I doubt] and they smack them trophies away from your residents........it just might get you to change something.

    GS
     
  11. midalake

    midalake Well-Known Member

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    I just looked at the posted results, The event 7 trophy list is very impressive. I will credit where credit is due. However it is followed up by a abortion.....Event 8 TWO stinkin Non resident trophies [unless your in a special class]...............

    GS
     
  12. t-bar

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    If you want out of state trophies, try the Illinois State Shoot. From Wed. through Saturday they give champion and runner-up in each class. On the handicap days they give champion-runner-up 3rd and 4th place. Sunday's handicap championhip they give champion-runner-up and 3rd thru 7th places. Category shooters on both Sat. and Sun. have champion and runner-up trophies.

    A well run shoot with beautiful trophies.

    tbar
     
  13. Jim Brown (the puller)

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    I can't see any problem with all open trophies in the preliminary events, afterall, the preliminary events are NOT part of the state shoot championship program. Most states treat the preliminary events as a last opportunity for shooters to obtain target minimums, allowing reclassification when target minimums are achieved.
     
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    Missouri is the best state shoot for out of state trophies. In state and out of state trophies are the same. That may be one reason a lot of out of state shooters shoot the Missouri State Shoot. Thanks. DennisB
     
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    jbbor - I couldn't agree with you more regarding trophies being a determining factor - it isn't/wasn't for me and I'm sure, it isn't for many shooters. In AZ, we give the same number of trophies to Resident/Non Residents from Wednesday on. But, we have a large non-resident base of shooters here for the chain and the state shoot. Now, in the South, like GA/AL, etc...they tend to give Open trophies, which gives their residents another chance. But no matter what you do...there is always someone who isn't happy.
     
  16. BIGDON

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    Midalake; As a non-resiedent who just returned from the Ind. state shoot I think you are totally in error but what else is new. Their trophy list is not lacking in any way. Most State shoots have open trophies on Mon., Tues, Wed and then split it with resident and non-resident. After all it is their state shoot and residents should get a larger share of trophies and classes.

    I don't know how many different State shoots you attend but you are wrong and just stirring some crap.

    J. Voliva; A very good shoot and dry for a change.

    Don
     
  17. midalake

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    "Trophies are not important" Ya whatever.....hey lets just all shoot ATA practice. I can tell you what I do around here when a small club just throws "ATA PRACTICE" I DO NOT GO!!!! If I just want to shoot pratice I go to my regular shooting nights.
    The state shoots are some of the largest shoots one can go to besides the grand. It is time for some to start acting like it. Event 7 has a very good non-resident trophy list, event 10 and 11 are fair........the rest SUCK!!!!! So tell me where is the AAA Class at the shoot???? HUH???? In my opinion their should not be ANY state shoot without it........Besides Wisconsin, Minnesota would be another good program to look at Illinois was mentioned by someone else but i can not vouch for it.........I think your the one who has not been to many state shoots!!!

    GS
     
  18. foghorn220

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    I thought they must have had plenty of out of state trophies to give out since they gave me a couple and wasn't even expecting it also got a little added money to help pay for the next 2 events.

    John how many total trophies was there total I know every shelf was full along the walls of the club house.

    Glad it didn't come a flood like the other years.

    fog
     
  19. scott calhoun

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    Midalake -

    I don't think anyone said trophies weren't important, what they said was that it was not a determining factor in their attendance. Big difference.

    I was also at Indiana (non-resident) and my decision to attend was not based on the trophy list. It was based on the events on the days I could attend, how well run the shoot is, how it fit in with my work schedule, how many people would be there that I would enjoy talking to. I like winning a nice trophy as much as the next guy, but that's pretty far down the list of things I based my decision to attend on.

    My count of trophies given for today's handicap event at Indiana was 33 (22 resident and 11 NR). There were over 500 shooters in attendance, which means if everyone in attendance had an equal shot at a trophy it was a 15-to-1 shot to win a trophy. Now, factor in that many people aren't eligible for many of the category trophies (I was eligible for 3 of the 11 NR), it becomes more like a 50-to-1 or 100-to-1 shot to win a trophy. Why would anyone attend a shoot with a 100-to-1 shot to win a trophy? And, if you doubled the number of trophies, why would anyone attend with a 50-to-1 shot to win a trophy?

    Point is, people don't attend shoots because of the trophies.

    Scott
     
  20. BIGDON

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    midalake; You must be in charge of trophy bitching as you ripped Mich. State shoot for bad trophies. Do you just whine all the time?? Do you have them send a picture of the trohies before you attend?? I am sure the clubs you avoid are all broken up because you must be a joy to have in attendance. Lighten up go and enjoy yourself for the sport itself.

    Don
     
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