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noise problems at ohio gun club

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by motordoctor, Sep 15, 2013.

  1. motordoctor

    motordoctor Shoji Tabuchi in Branson

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    sorry read further and the format will be better. I copied and pasted it form an article and thanks to the other people for the proper format
     
  2. shotgunpeople

    shotgunpeople Active Member

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    Sad, And unfortunatly this could be happening to more of us in the future.

    Dave in SC
     
  3. alf174

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    This club is grandfathered in and its unlikely that the state noise levels were in place before the club started in 30's-40's. This same tactic was used to shut down a much newer club in Michigan, Island Lakes, and was not successful.
     
  4. daddiooo

    daddiooo TS Supporters TS Supporters

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    there's a thing called "paragraphs" use them. Way too hard to read in the current format. Makes you cross-eyed.
     
  5. GW22

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    Relax daddiooo, this is an important discussion about an issue which could eventually affect all of us, and the future of trapshooting. Here's the clean version and the direct link to the article.

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    COPLEY TWP.: One of the most successful youth trap-shooting teams in the nation soon could find itself homeless.

    Copley Township has filed a civil lawsuit seeking to stop one of the area’s oldest clubs from operating a shooting range at noise levels that officials say are louder than state and national standards.

    The suit seeks a permanent court injunction against the 1940s-era Ohio Sportsmen Farmers League Park and the Chippewa Trapshooting Club on South Jacoby Road.

    Township attorney Irv Sugarman filed the suit about two weeks ago in Summit County Common Pleas Court. Both sides are awaiting the first hearing.

    The club is set off from the road and lined with tall pines around the entire shooting range. It is home base for the nonprofit Buckeye Outdoors Youth Education and Shooting Center, which since its founding in 2005 has evolved as sponsor of a state and national championship youth trap-shooting team.

    Chippewa schools teacher Brad Harker, president of the nonprofit center, said he was reluctant to comment on the suit’s claims, but stressed the importance of the club’s activities to hundreds of area kids.

    “We have a tremendous youth program. There are people and families out there looking for us,” Harker said. “And when they find us, they say, ‘We’re so glad there’s a program out there like yours. We’ve been looking for something like this for our kids.’

    “If, worst-case scenario, something happens and this area loses this program, it would be a loss not only for Copley, but the community in general,” Harker said.

    He said more than 600 kids, from Summit and surrounding counties, have gone through the center’s shooting program alone, not counting the center’s hunter-education classes and shooting competitions.

    “These kids now have all been trained to know how to handle and respect firearms, and in all honesty they get to see and appreciate the other side of firearms — the positive side for use in target shooting and things like that,” Harker said.

    In the past three years, he said, the team has won four national titles in five age and experience categories, two second-place finishes and two thirds in the Scholastic Clay Target Program at the World Shooting and Recreation Complex in Sparta, Ill.

    “No other team in the nation has placed top three in that many categories in the last three years,” Harker said.

    By gentleman’s agreement with the township, the team does not shoot more than three days a week, he said. From the last week in March until the end of May, sessions are from about 5:30 until 8 on Monday and Thursday nights.

    The range is open to the public from 9 a.m. to 3 p.m. Saturdays.

    According to the suit’s claims, the noise generated exceeds the “maximum acceptable volume for shooting ranges adopted by the Ohio Division of Wildlife and the applicable guidelines from the National Rifle Association Range Source Book.”

    Those standards say it is “unacceptable” to have noise of more than 90 decibels for one hour in a 24-hour period, or 85 decibels for eight hours in the same period.

    According to a Temple University engineering department study, 85 to 90 decibels are about equivalent to the sounds of a motorcycle from 25 feet away, or a diesel train at 45 mph, from 100 feet away.

    Sugarman, the township’s lawyer, said the sportsmen’s club has operated there “for quite some period of time, and the trustees have received numerous complaints over the years about the frequency and extent of the noise.”

    Efforts were made several years ago to resolve the issue, he said, but were unsuccessful.

    “We have obtained additional information that indicates the decibel level exceeds the state requirements, and we are seeking to make certain the club complies with state and local laws,” Sugarman said.

    He declined to comment further, saying the suit is in its early stages.

    Mark Wasick, chief agent for the sportsmen’s club, a nonprofit organization, said it originally was founded by a Barberton group in 1932.

    In 1940, that group, known as the Barberton Fish and Game Conservation League, bought 24 acres of property on which the current club sits.

    Citing its long-standing property rights, Wasick said, the club will defend itself.

    “We have bent over backwards to be good neighbors,” he said, “and we are going to vigorously defend those rights.”
     
  6. StonewallRacing

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    Very bad to see a youth program this strong to have to fight this crap...

    http://www.ohio.com/news/local/copley-trap-shooting-range-under-fire-in-civil-suit-1.428867?localLinksEnabled=false

    Easier to read from the link. SW
     
  7. UtahYork

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    "Those standards say it is “unacceptable” to have noise of more than 90 decibels for one hour in a 24-hour period, or 85 decibels for eight hours in the same period."

    So, I'm wondering if anyone has calculated the noise "length" of one shotgun shell being fired? One second? Less? Gee - If you want to get really picky, that's a lot of shells and could take all day to add up to "one hour" of noise? I know - just thinking outside the box. :) John
     
  8. JT 27

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    OSHA has similar nomenclature in it's noise control. I would suggest fighting fire with fire. Take readings while shooting at the complaintents residence. Probably way lower at that site than at the club. Indiana Gun Club built a fence on it's west border. Someone built a subdivision adjacent to the club the people that bought homes complained, I guess the realators only showed the properties when no one was shooting.
     
  9. Jim Porter

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    This has nothing to do with noise and we all know it. Most if not all of the neighbors would be inside or away from home while shooting listed above is going on. If you are inside with any kind of AC on, not to mention a TV, you will not hear a full fledged trap shoot if you live close enough to see the field. This is about anti gun supporting people wanting to stop our sport.

    The comment about fighting this by collecting noise levels close to the homes, seems good to me and I'll bet you will get hit with a trespass charge.

    Someone start a defense fund that we can all send a few dollars to. Let's stand up for our kids and our sport. Money USUASLLY beats B.S.!
    Respectfully Jim Porter, Mississippi
     
  10. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    At Island Lake the decibel levels were taken on 12' poles extending above the berms at the property limits by the complainants.

    You would never fail an OSHA noise test which measures the avg decibels over an extended period.

    Ohio needs a Michigan Sporting Range law....
     
  11. spitter

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    Boy... Ohio is not very gun friendly. Good thing the Grand is located in Illinois... imagine if the Grand was located in Ohio and forced to relocate to another state?!

    Oh geez, I forgot... it was.

    j.
     
  12. alf174

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    spitter, it wasn't forced, ATA accepted an offer to move.
     
  13. W.P.T.

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    So, Jay how did you do at the Grand last year and again this year ..? Good thing its in Illinois so you don't go to it ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  14. yakimaman

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    What the hell spitter? Hijack this thread why don't you.

    This noise level standard "Those standards say it is “unacceptable” to have noise of more than 90 decibels for one hour in a 24-hour period, or 85 decibels for eight hours in the same period?" are OSHA paraphrases and meant to mean continuous noise exposure at those levels. There is no way any home owner is going to have TWAs (time weighted averages) of 90db for an hour or 85db for eight hours. ODNR needs to step up and put an end to this right now.
     
  15. alf174

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    OSHA covers work places not gun clubs.
     
  16. BigM-Perazzi

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    always confuses the layman...

    generally, townships have noise limits. but these normally apply to hours, like nothing over 65 db after 7pm.

    otherwise, no one could mow a lawn, run a speedboat, fly an RC plane..

    it's a nuisance suit....
     
  17. YOTESLAYER

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    Well in that case every farmer in Iowa that runs a grain dryer would be shut down to running one hour per day!! This is a joke, I hope the judge laughs them out of the courtroom.
     
  18. amboy49

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    Sad to say my location is now undergoing a somewhat similar area. A local resident has built his own shooting range for pistol and centerfire rifle. The neighbors have begun to complain citing safety issue and the following:

    Air quality issues due to "lead dust"
    Water aquifer being comprised due to the lead going into water runoff leading to a downstream reservoir
    Potentional danger to bicyclists, walkers,runners, and neighboring livestock from stray rounds. (The range is three sided with 12 foot earth berms)
    A disputed incident of a horse being "shot" - with no evidence of an exit wound nor xrays showing any projectile
    One concerned citizen even complained they weren't able to take their afternoon nap.

    The Town Council is responding to the very vocal complainants by referring the matter to the safety board - with 3 of the 4 members being comprised of the Town Council. So far the issue has been couched in the guise of it being a "safety" issue when, in reality, the neighbors simply are using the local government to press their anti-gun agenda on the other residens of the area.

    The local paper ran a front page story which was mostly one sided with various quotes from the disgruntled individuals. Sad to say this area is experiencing continuing residential development and the outcome of the safety board recommendation with Council action therafter is not expected to bode well for the shooting public.

    If anyone can relate a similar scenario where a proposed ordinance was successfully defeated please weigh in with arguments presented and methods utilized.
     
  19. YOTESLAYER

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    The first thing I would do is seek legal advise, not advise from people here, but from a lawyer, preferably a Republican Lawyer!!
     
  20. spitter

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    Yes, the ATA accepted an offer to relocate, as I recall from an anticipated eviction (loss of lease, however you care to describe it...) and the IL option was the Walk behind the Talk.

    WPT... I've visited Vandalia a few times to watch, been to Sparta as well, will go again. I'm not a competitve shooter, never will be... so what?!

    No intention to hijack a thread... just full of the BS I hear from Ohioians about how gun friendly Ohio is and how gun un-friendly Illinois is...

    Deal with it...

    Jay
     
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