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NO salute for our troops

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by halfmile, Jan 20, 2009.

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  1. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    Mind you now, my daughter is not military minded, but she has 3 kids, 2 in grade school.

    She just called me in total outrage over Obama's disrespect in not returning the troops' salute when he walked past them.

    I wasn't watching for obvious reasons.

    Meaningful change has arrived.

    And it won't be easy.

    HM
     
  2. peanut gallery

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    what a shame a 1/2 mile i did not mean to hijack your pw thread some of the old pws are bring good money
     
  3. WGB

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    Before or after he was sworn in?
     
  4. David Knapp

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    It is not tradition for the CINC to salute military personnel unless giving the Medal of Honor.

    Eisenhower would not salute when giving the Medal of Honor, because he believed he was Civilian not Military. He considered it bad form for a Civilian to salute the Military.

    That is what I was always told.

    David Knapp
     
  5. J.Woolsey

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    Why would he be saluted before being sworn in?
     
  6. halfmile

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    I didn't see, as I was not watching the Coronation today. Just got my daughter's impression was all.

    HM
     
  7. DocJim

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    I am no Obama supporter but is it possible that since he never wore the uniform he is not supposed to return the salute but to aknowledge it in some other manner? I can't ever recall seeing Clinton return a salute either. Of course both Bushs served and saluted. I know that Reagan saluted but don't know if he served. I have never seen film of LBJ or Truman saluting either. Maybe someone who knows the protocol can chime in here.

    AJ.
     
  8. howie

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    The military salute because the President in the Commander in Chief. I was in/worked for the Air Force for over 30 years and always objected to the President returning a salute -- the President is a civilian or a member of the uniformed military.
     
  9. Joe Potosky

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    An article from 2003

    To Salute or Not To Salute...

    http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/salutes.html
     
  10. pendennis

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    Truman served in the U.S. Army in WWI as an artillery captain.

    LBJ was a USN lieutenant in WWII.

    Reagan served in the U.S. Army in WWII as a captain, making training films.

    Nixon was a Naval officer in WWII.

    Carter was a Naval officer during the 1960's.

    G.H.W. Bush was a naval aviator during WWII.

    G.W. Bush was a Texas ANG fighter pilot.

    Obama and Clinton, both lawyers, never served.

    When I attended Memorial Day services in 1970, I had the chance to observe President Nixon. He was saluted several times, but never returned them.

    Clinton did learn how to salute, and returned salutes on several occasions; noted on television.

    Dennis
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    This might shed some light on the salute questions.

    Bob Lawless
     
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    Who's been teaching him, Slick Willie?
     
  14. Old Cowboy

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    Aww.......he's not saluting, he's just shading his eyes from the glare of the sun
     
  15. DocJim

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    MkrSLC,

    I agree that Eisenhower had an "unimpeachable" character while in office. I just missed being able to vote for him. Often wished I could have. One would have to point out the alleged affair he had with his driver while supreme allied commander however. But, considering the enormous responsibility he had perhaps he should be given a pass on that one...............AJ
     
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    I would have to say that he is putting his thumb to his nose and getting ready to wiggle if fingers at someone.
     
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    Most commanders in chief dont salute- and they dont have to

    in one way it would be inapropriate for a civilian to be saluting

    in another - maybe he should

    but in no way is it regarded as disrespect from the soldiers perspective

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  18. Baron23

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    I served as an officer in the USAF...vietnam era and up to 1980.

    I also had the duty to serve during that time as protocol officer for events that included high level civilian office holders.

    I do not think that it is necessary, expected, or at all appropriate for a civilian CIC (the President) or any civilian to return a salute or to salute at all except in the highly unusual circumstances of a Medal of Honor award where the President initiates this gesture in his role as CIC.

    There are many supposed origins of the modern military salute. Everything from an abreviation of the removal of ones hat in the presence of a superior to the raising of a visor by medieval knights to show their face. To me, the longest related tradition is the showing of the sword hand and that it is empty. This is, to my mind, reserved for men and women who serve under arms. That does not include the President.

    You want to criticize Obama...help yourself. Protecting your right to freedom of speech was one of the reasons I served my country. But protection of your right to free speech does not inure you from contempt for your speech if this kind of criticism is the best you can come up with.

    Like it or not, he IS your President for the next four years. You may wish to honor that office, no matter the occupant, with at least a small portion of the respect shown by the soldiers who you feel were so maligned.

    The fact that we had a peaceful transition of power from one party to another that has such different views, during a period of extreme polarization among the citizens, is testament to the power of respect for our elected offices no matter the occupant. That respect for the office should not be so easily discarded, in my view.
     
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