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No sale to California

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Ted K., Aug 13, 2009.

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  1. Ted K.

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    I recently responded to a message offering a gun for sale, but I decided that the response shouldn't be limited to only those interested in that gun. Here it is:

    "Jeff (and anyone else who declines to sell to a Californian)-

    When you indicate you don't want to sell to a Californian, the CA Democrats smile and tell each other that their strategy is working.

    The people in California who shoot trap (and who may want to buy your gun) didn't enact these ridiculous laws - the people in California who want to stop people from owning guns did. And those people certainly aren't going to buy your gun.

    Keep in mind that the California restrictions are carefully crafted to be constitutional. THEY CAN BE ENACTED IN YOUR STATE, and when you post a notice like that, you encourage the anti-gun people everywhere to emulate California.

    Think about it....."

    Ted K.
     
  2. Trap2

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    Ted.... You have covered it to the core... Our California money is as good as anyone elses, and to restrict your sales to this state denies any seller a tremendous amount of shooters to draw from that may be interested in their gun.. Dan Thome (Trap2) EUREKA, CALIFORNIA
     
  3. KEYBEAR

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    EE I sent a trap gun (870) to a gents FFL in California and the FFL refused it . (FFL to FFL only he said ) It came back to me as undeliverable and I was out the shipping cost .
     
  4. STOS

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    California is a good example of whats to come for the rest of the usa if we don't take back this country and the liberial slime that has taken over.I feel if we cannot take this country back to its moral standards,its not worth passing on to our children.I pray that the good Lord feels the same way.May God have mercy.
     
  5. itsnotyou

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    I bought a 525 from a Gent in North Carloina(It was advertized here on trapshooters) He sent it to my FFL here in Kalifornia with no problems or extra charges. He contacted my FFL dealer and sent needed info to him and shipped it from his local Fedex shipping center.
     
  6. Matt Stockwell

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    Here is the skoop on shipping a gun to Kalifornia. I live near Sacramento and have bouhgt 4 or 5 guns from out of state over the last year. If a CA resident is buying from an FFL dealer outside of CA, then the selling ffl dealer must submit a request to the CA Dept of Justice. It is a computerized process and takes very little time or effort for the selling FFL to complete. I don't know if there is any cost or not. If a resident of CA is buying a gun from a private party outside of CA, the private party can ship it directly to an FFL dealer in CA. The private seller DOES NOT have to go through the Dept of Justice process. The FFL dealers that I have worked with have no problems at all receiving guns from private parties outside the state. I hope this clears it up for everyone. It is a ridiculous law that simply burdens legal gun bearing citizens. Hopefully guns sellers outside of CA will realize we need to work together and stand up to local, state and federal agencies when they try to inact this law in other states. Please don't let the polititians in Sacramento keep you from selling a gun to a perfectly good buyer. We are all sportsmen and need to stick together.

    Matt Stockwell
     
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    Some day those that continue to support CA. on the idea that there is money there, will find they are supporting the demise of the rest of the states rights.

    Until you in CA grow some stones and pitch those like Peloshi...Feinstein....Boxer out on their asses, then maybe the rest of the country will help, ....until you do ,you can get your state back or move somewhere more favorable to your hobbies. You from CA act like YOUR problems we were caused by the rest of us.....WRONG.

    I fully support all in the firearms industry that are boycotting CA. If everyone cut CA off completely, something could be done, until YOU out there fix YOUR problem, you will not get much sympathy from the majority of us.

    We realize the damage YOUR politicians are causing the USA......Most of us are tired of CA's people and politicians influencing what we do. Take your complaint to the proper people... YOURSELF.
     
  8. Ted K.

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    Alf-99:

    Did the FFL tell you or your buyer that he would take the gun and then he refused it? Or did neither of you discuss the procedure with the FFL before shipping him the gun?

    Ted K.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    This guy is fed up with Commiefornia. It's from his auction on Gun Broker.<br>
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    ATTENTION: IF YOU RESIDE IN THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, DO NOT BID ON THIS AUCTION. YOUR BID WILL NOT BE HONORED.<br>
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    EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, ADAMS GUN EMPORIUM, LLC HAS CEASED DELIVERY OF ALL FIREARMS, FIREARMS PARTS AND AMMUNITION TO ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, POLICE OFFICERS AND RESIDENTS OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE RESIDENTS OF, WHAT HAS BECOME THE PEOPLES REPUBLIK of KALIFORNIA, BECOME ANGRY ENOUGH, AND GROW ENOUGH COURAGE, TO REMOVE FROM OFFICE THE SOCIALIST POLITICIANS WHO PASSED SECTIONS 12072(F)(1) & 12083(C)(1) OF THE CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE INTO LAW AND THE GOVERNATOR WHO ALLOWED IT TO BECOME LAW, I SHALL NOT HONOR ANY FURTHER BIDS FROM THE RESIDENTS OF THE PEOPLES REPUBLIK of KALIFORNIA. THIS SHALL ALSO APPLY TO CURIO & RELICS (03) FIREARMS AND LICENSEES AND INCLUDE ANTIQUE FIREARMS AS WELL. NO EXCEPTIONS WILL BE MADE.<br>
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    I BELIEVE THAT THESE LAWS VIOLATE THE COMMERCE AND EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSES OF THE UNITED STATES CONSITUTION, AND ARE CLEARLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I REFUSE TO BE KALIFORNIKATED BY YOUR SOCIALIST POLITICAL HACKS. DON'T LIKE MY ATTITUDE, THEN GET BUSY RAISIN' H__L WITH THE SOCIALIST BENT POLITICAL TRAITORS WHO HAVE VIOLATED THEIR OATH OF OFFICE TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNITED STATES, AND WHO VOTED FOR THIS UNCONSTITUTIONAL SET OF LAWS. INSIST, AS IS YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO REDRESS OF GRIEVANCES, AND IN THE STRONGEST TERMS, THAT THEY REPEAL THESE ABOMINABLY UNCONSTITUTIONAL STATUTES BEFORE IT BECOMES NECESSARY FOR THE GOOD CITIZENS OF CALIFORNIA TO DO SO BY FORCE OF ARMS. TO DO LESS, CONSTITUTES MORAL COWARDICE IN THE FACE OF SOCIALIST OPPRESSION.
     
  10. Ted K.

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    Exactly. I'm glad somebody gets it.

    Ted K.
     
  11. KEYBEAR

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    Ted K. The buyer sent me a check and a copy of the FFL to ship to just as I have done 100 times before . (Other states) I have sent loaders and other stuff to California but no firearms . I,m close to being done selling on the internet .

    ALF
     
  12. Andy44

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    I agree with TED K all the way on this one! It is moronic to believe that not shipping guns to California is going to solve anything! I almost pity dealers, and others, who will not deal with California shooters!

    AndyH :-/
     
  13. Bushmaster1313

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    Quite surprisingly, there are guns that are legal to buy here in New Jesey that are illegal in California.

    How do I, as a non-FFL, tell if the gun which I may want to sell on the internet, through an FFL of course, is legal in California?
     
  14. Brian in Oregon

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    I do not blame any dealer who will not sell to Commiefornia because of concerns over legal exposure as to what is allowed and what isn't. And frankly, many don't have time to spend researching transactions. Time is money. Commiefornia is a lost cause. We lost the gun battle there. At this point I don't care if we give the state back to Mexico.
     
  15. Bushmaster1313

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    Brian:

    As far as I am aware, in California you can still buy a semi-auto pistol, a 12 gauge pump and a deer rifle.

    How can you say we lost the battle in California.

    Yes, it would be nice to have removable magazines in semi-auto rifles, but the others will still go a long way.

    By the way, if the magazine is fixed I think you might be able to even put a flash suppressor and a bayonet lug on one of the neutered AR-15 guns that are legal. Now that's real firepower, just ask Diane Feinstein and Barbara Boxer!
     
  16. Texas Ton

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    I'll preface this by saying I've never sold a gun to Kalifornia and have no intentions of starting, but the gun laws may not be the issue for the dealers not wanting to sell there.

    The 5th transaction to someone in Kalifornia that was riddled with BS, whining buyers/sellers, doing whatever they could to get a better deal than what they decided to buy/committed to, I put in my auctions or sale sites from that point on, "NO SALES TO KALIFORNIA". I'm not the only one either, there are many who won't sell there.

    I could give exact dates and details but I'll just give you the last one, the buyer in Kalifornia, was going to give me negative feedback if I didn't refund $50 on a piece because "The chrome is the wrong color"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This was a factory produced piece, it was "chrome", perfect in every way, but he thought 35 year old chrome should be "faded or discolored", because his was. I gave him the option of returning it even though I didn't list it that way, he decided he'd keep it but wanted me to know he wasn't happy---but $50 would make him that way!?!?!?

    BooHoo! was my only response and from that day and many/many sales/years later---I've not sold and will never again deal with those idiots----period!!

    It's really not too difficult to scan thru ads and find where people won't send/sell to Kalifornia, anything, completely unrelated to guns.
     
  17. berettaman7

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    These stupid anti California remarks are just crap slung by people which are supposed to be Americans. You are just a sad bunch of unsupportive sour pusses.

    Berettaman7
     
  18. throck1

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    I'm one of those "no sale to California" sellers as well. Last I checked, my address was still in the good ole US of A; which makes it a personal choice. Whether you agree or disagree, I simply don't care. I'm not anti-California as a state. I'm anti-California government and overly restrictive gun laws.

    Not selling/shipping guns solves a very important problem - wasting my time without compensation. I'm not trying to save the world here, folks. Just trying to enjoy my life with a minimum of negativity and conflict.

    If the actions of your politicians are interfering with you ability to pursue your firearms hobby, vote them out. I'm quite certain that firearms enthusiasts are in the overwhelming minority in California. Otherwise, you'd have booted your uninformed, agenda-driven, political-posturing anti-gun zealots.

    I'll share something else with you: When it comes to vacation time (or any significant capital expense) I vote with my dollars and my feet. None of it goes to the Peoples Republik of Kaliforn-I-A. No interest in supporting a State's economy when the people who run it would prefer I never own or shoot another firearm in this lifetime. Do you know what it feels like to experience the very real danger of not being legally able to pass the shooting sports experience along to your children? I know we are not there yet...but we are certainly on the bus with ticket in hand.

    Rant over :)
     
  19. berettaman7

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    All the guns I have bought from out of state have been sent from an FFL holder to my own FFL holder here, I have paid whatever costs seller asked, as well as my own costs here, never had a problem except with some of you gripping here.

    I dont like the laws either and I make no beef about it. You dont like our State? fine.

    Berettaman7
     
  20. boomer

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    It's been said many times, but I'll say it one LAST time. Not selling a gun to a fellow shooter in California is idiotic. You hurt the sport, a fellow shooter and yourself. The law is a stupid feel good law that does nothing to address any problem real or perceived. It takes minimal effort to complete a transaction to CA. if you are an FFL holder. If you are just a shooter selling a personal gun, it takes NO effort. A copy of your photo DL is all that's required. And by the way--every FFL dealer in every state wants or SHOULD want a a photo id from any non-FFL individual shipping a gun to them. When they undergo a BATF license renewal inspection, they have to account for every gun that goes through the business. I can't make it any simpler then that!!
     
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