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No Choke Tubes??

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by $$$SHTR, May 21, 2009.

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  1. $$$SHTR

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    Looking at the new o/u's for sale, I can't seem to find any without choke tubes. Do any gun makers offer o/u's without choke tubes? I've never been a big fan of choke tubes, but feel I'm living in the past when I look for a gun without them.

    I guess I'll have to start looking for an older Remington 3200 as I know they were made without choke tubes. Unfortunately, many of them have been ruined by after market improvements.

    If any of you have a Remington 3200 with 30" barrels and no aftermarket improvements with updates please let me know.

    Tomas
     
  2. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    You might also want to look for Browning Superposed. I believe all of the Superposed had fixed chokes. I know my Broadway has fixed factory chokes.

    Eric
     
  3. Dickgshot

    Dickgshot Well-Known Member

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    You can get Perazzi's with fixed chokes, and some of the European Browning Citori's.
     
  4. furface

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    I Have two new 3200's, a MC Special Trap with 30" bbls factory choked full & full and a 28" Skeet & Skeet. drop the x's on the e-mail. Joe
     
  5. AveragEd

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    You know, I used to dislike choke tubes, too. The old salts on the gun club porches said they didn't pattern as well as a fixed choke and I bought into that logic. I used to feel a little sorry for the guy next to me when I saw his trap gun had tubes. Funny thing was that a lot of them smoked their targets as well as or better than me.

    Then in 2002, I bought one of the first KX-5s, which never were available with anything but choke tubes. After using it for a while, I decided to try some different brands, lengths and constrictions of chokes in it and that's when it dawned on me why tubes really are better. If I wanted to experiment with different chokes in a fixed-choke gun, the cost to do so would likely far exceed than that of purchasing a tube. And if I didn't like the new choke, I was faced with even more costly machining to get back to where I was, if doing so would even be possible. Screw-in tubes I didn't like could always be resold and tubes can even be borrowed from shooting buddies for testing purposes, so buying isn't always a requirement.

    Accordingly, I don't see myself ever buying another fixed-choke shotgun.

    Now, cobby choke tube conversions in fixed-choke guns, especially in valuable older pieces, don't appeal to me for obvious reasons. But that's a whole different thing.

    Ed
     
  6. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    I have done extensive testing on Beretta 303 barrels with full chokes vs mobil choke tubes and I assure you the tubes pattern better by a long shot
     
  7. Neil Winston

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    cc2000, "better by a long shot," you wrote. It makes us wonder "Better in what way?" Specifically? Tighter? Less tight? "More even?"
    You get the idea.

    Neil
     
  8. phirel

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    I see no reason why a fixed choked barrel would pattern better than one with tubes. I cannot understand why a barrel with tubes would shoot better than a fixed choke barrel. I can see how frequent removal of a tube could wear the threads and change the POI. I have also seen a couple of guns that would shoot at different POI with different tubes.

    If a choke tube is firmly screwed in by hand, and the threads are in good shape, it is only possible to turn the tube about 1/32 of an inch with the wrench. If a tube takes much more force to tighten, or if it shoots loose, the threads are in less than good condition and can cause POI problems.

    Pat Ireland
     
  9. edthearcher

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    pat I would also like to add one other thing. I purchased a gun that had 12 yes 12 flush chokes, the poi seem to be diffrent on every one of them ( i wont mention the braand name ) I bought a quality extended not only was my point of impact dead center I had no holes in my pattern. so not all chokes are alike just my 2 cents
     
  10. $$$SHTR

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    furface,

    Joe, I sent you an e-mail.

    Tomas
     
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