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New York Gun Owners

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Joe Potosky, Jan 23, 2013.

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  1. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    Ammunition Sales

    For the gun owners who have been sitting on there hands the last few years; hunters, targets shooters, or what have you. Those thinking, their not going after the guns I shoot, there going after the assault weapons!

    The question is, who is going to sell you ammunition once the mandatory background check requirement goes operational?

    Mail order is out, as all transactions need to be face to face.

    What local business is going to sell you a SINGLE box of ammunition or a value pack when each sale requires a background check? Say goodbye to Walmart sales and sellers at local gun shops!

    Taking your .22 rifle out for some plinking fun? Background check required when you purchase that ammunition. Going duck hunting and need two boxes of shells. Background check required. Deer hunting? Background check....

    Imagine a state run background check system required to run checks on 1000's of ammunition sales per day, throughout the state, even more during hunting season.

    Five minutes per check, five hours, five days, weeks? Is it even possible to set up a statewide system that will not delay purchases of ammunition? How long are you willing to wait?

    The vast majority of gun clubs in the state are volunteer run. Many are in the business of selling ammunition for use on club grounds; for target shooting and tournament shooting. Some say the law was not intended to control ammunition sales at gun clubs. You want to be the first club to test the law? The local who has been looking for a reason to close your club will be watching. Who do you think a judge will side with?

    Maybe time to get off your hands and ask your local state legislator some hard questions......
     
  2. 870

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    Joe is exactly right on this. As I posted a couple times already, this will be a huge problem. There is absolutely no exception for sporting clubs or shoots from the definition of an "Ammunition Seller" in the law as it stands now. What gun club is going to want to take responsibility for logging ammo sales even if they have the capability of running the background check? A book of ammo inventory has to be maintained, similar to the book maintained by an FFL for firearm sales.

    Is your club run efficiently enough to be sure there would'nt be problems with a few boxes of .22 rimfire or 12 gauge target loads getting misplaced? What will the ramifications be when problems are found in your records when they are inspected? What insurance issues will be raised over your accounting for all boxes of ammo bought and sold by your club, and your diligence in performing the required background checks? Will it impact sales of shells to nonmembers of your club?

    What will happen to the small businesses that travel to shoots selling target ammo at prices nobody else can? Think they are going to have 4G connections to access online databases everywhere they go? Maybe it can be done by cellphone but I'm not sure.

    What will the State Police do when they find hundreds and hundreds of people buying hundreds of rounds of ammo every week? Might they deny a purchase of a couple flats the morning of the State Championship because you already bought 1,000 rounds 3 days earlier?

    Not to mention the $30 million or so added to the state budget to help pay for this fiasco.

    This takes effect in January of 2014.
     
  3. Coyote 270

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    So why the hell are they going out of their way to punish THE HONEST AMERICAN CITIZEN? Any why are the HONEST AMERICAN CITIZENS putting up with this crap?
     
  4. Jerbear

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    What's the cost for the background check? $10.00? $20.00?

    There is your hidden ammo tax.....

    I'm glad MI is pushing back hard on this crap.


    Jerbear
     
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