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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by grunt, Sep 7, 2009.

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  1. grunt

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    This goes to court tomorrow,If this is real it should get interesting real fast.
     
  2. Paladin

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    "get interesting real fast"
    would be an extreme understatement, if..
     
  3. TOOLMAKER 251

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    All they need is Barrys foot print to prove it.
     
  4. Fathawk

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    Last time this needs to be said.


    GIVE IT UP!!!!

    IT IS BULLCRAP!!!

    GET A BRAIN AND DO SOME FRICKIN' RESEARCH BEFORE YOU SPOUT B.S.!!!
     
  5. recurvyarcher

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    Awwww, that footprint is so cute.
     
  6. bigdogtx

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    fathawk,,,,for once I AGREE with you,,,,can you believe it,,,,

    You said, "GIVE IT UP!!!!" I agree,,,,hussein SHOULD GIVE IT UP!!!!his REAL birth cert and this would ALL be put to rest,,,,I wonder WHY he won't????
     
  7. H82MIS

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    For the overweight chicken,,,,,
     
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    Do you really think that any proof will get to be presented? Bulge.
     
  9. H82MIS

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    The gangster government...

    Do you think the Mafia would achieve its goals and ambitions if the Capo di tutti capo's consigliere were somehow elected to the Office of the President of the United States?

    Well what do you think the results of placing a Marxist constitutional lawyer in that office will be? Yup! The Marxists have a pretty good shot at achieving their goals and ambitions.

    But Obama is not just a Marxist. He's a unique hybrid. He's a Marxist for sure, but he's also a professional activist, completely in tune with the American Political Left and the goals of the Socialist International. He spent years teaching the US Constitution, but he certainly wasn't teaching constitutional law from a strict constructionist point of view. He's a Chicago pol. He's said he's sympathetic to Muslim's goals and ambitions.

    Obama's course syllabus show that his expertise was in using the Constitution to change or evade the law and to change the country. The only lie he never told the American People is that he was all about change. He's come right out and said it. The problem is, he never told us what change he had in mind, but he's using fear and his awesome political power within the government and gangster tactics and intimidation on those outside the government to implement his change.

    Nixon was an amateur. His "plumbers" consisted of less than a dozen guys. Some of them were discovered in a what was described as a "third-rate burglary." Nixon was impeached.

    Obama, now there's an expert.

    He's got operators everywhere -- and they play hardball. You just begin to look like you're gonna rock the boat and they apply the pressure. If you don't get the hint, they drop the hammer. Obama is the head of a gangster government. Everywhere you look, at every level of government, there are examples of the U. S. Constitution being manipulated or just outright ignored. When that doesn't work -- the hammer.

    JB Williams, writing in the Canada Free Press, says that since the most powerful people in America fear the wrath of Obama and his crowd, maybe you should too! They are indeed a dangerous bunch, after all…

    Every member of the Supreme Court, every member of congress, every member of the Joint Chiefs, most members of the DoD, CIA, FBI, Secret Service and state run media, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, PBS, NPR, MSNBC, Fox and print news, knows that Barack Hussein Obama II does NOT meet the Article II, Section I constitutional requirements for the office he holds. By his own biography, there is NO way he can pass the test. The hard evidence is so far beyond overwhelming, it is ridiculous.

    But not ONE of America’s most powerful people will dare confront Obama and his anti-American cabal on the subject. The Constitution does NOT stand. Do you think there is no reason for this?

    And it's not just the federal government. It's ALL government -- all the way down to the municipality.

    In Florida, the local cops are being used to intimidate citizens for exercising their free expression rights.

    Since when did cops have a city-wide investigation and chase down people that post politically satirical flyers? Sedition in the Age of Obama -- you can burn the American flag, you can stand on it, or poop on it, but don't post graven images of the Obamamessiah.

    Think about it. The American flag represents the U. S. Constitution. The Joker posters represents a politician. Since when does the American government place an individual above the Constitution? When did it become a crime to satirize a politician. It certainly wasn't for the last 8 years. Just Google Bush Hitler or Bush Chimp.

    Somebody pressed a button. This isn't a police action. This is a political action. This is intimidation and using the civil authorities to do it.

    When the cops can't apply the pressure -- call the unions. The unions are part of the mob. The Service Employees International Union (SEIU) has organizing resources and experience that ordinary citizens can only dream about. Their goon squads have heckled, harassed and even assaulted concerned citizens who favor less-costly private options to government-run health care.

    Just ask Kenneth Gladney, the victim of an assault outside of a town hall meeting in St. Louis last week by a group of thugs wearing purple t-shirts emblazoned with the SEIU logo. Similarly clad union operatives also blocked critics of the Obama health care plan from attending other meetings, notably in Florida. Former Oklahoma Rep. Ernest Istook notes that in January SEIU announced a plan "to hire more than 1,000 activists to work in 35 states on behalf of the Obama agenda, committing 30% of the union's total resources to the effort. You've seen SEIU's purple-shirted members in videos of town hall altercations." Obama calls them the "Purpose People Beaters."

    SEIU has a long history of partnering to generate angry mobs. The union helped fund the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) "Muscle for Money" program that was set up to pressure corporations in shakedown campaigns, including demonstrations at the homes of corporate executives. Labor Department disclosure forms show more than $600,000 has changed hands between SEIU locals and ACORN affiliates under the Muscle for Money initiative. It is not an exercise in subtlety. How's that for coordination?

    And don't forget how Obama paid of the United Auto Workers by taking General Motors away from the stockholders and giving it to the union. Obama did that right in front of everybody and there was hardly a whisper.

    Obama will use the Justice Department to defend his friends and attack his enemies. Do you understnd the implications of this stuff?

    Attorney General Eric Holder's Justice Department just dismissed the case against two of the baton-wielding Black Panthers and merely sought a restraining order against the third, rather than seeking appropriate penalties, including jail time, for all three. The three were involved in voter intimidation on Election Day at a Philadelphia, Pennsylvania polling station. That decision was approved by an Obama appointee, Associate Attorney General Thomas J. Perelli. No satisfactory explanation for the decision has been tendered by anyone in the administration. The lesson is clear enough. If you intimidate voters in the service of Obama, your offense can be overlooked.

    However, if you're not a supporter, cover your vitals -- The White House just waived its ethics rules to allow two lawyers in the White House Counsel's Office to continue to work on matters relating to former President George W. Bush.

    Obama uses spooks too -- illegally of course. Do you know who John Brennan is?

    John Brennan is Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, and he should be in prison, not in the Executive Office Building. During the campaign, he headed a firm that was cited for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released last July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm.

    During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation say that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to "cauterize" the records of potentially embarrassing information. "They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion," one knowledgeable source said. "But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file."

    What's the difference between what Nixon's spooks did and what Obama's spooks did? Nothing! Nixon's spooks worked for the government and broke into a campaign office. Obama's spooks were civilians and they broke into a federal office building and did something(?) to confidential government files. Nixon was impeached. Obama was elected. It just boggles.

    Hell, Obama's going to spy on your Internet use. He's not hiding the fact. Remember how the left howled when Bush wanted to intercept communications coming into the U. S. from al-Qaeda. The Left screamed in protest and demanded that Bush be impeached. Now, not a whisper.

    Now, the Obama administration has announced plans to lift a government ban on tracking visitors to government websites, and potentially, collect their personal data through the use of "cookies" –- an effort some suspect may already be in place on White House sites.

    A ban on such tracking by the federal government on Internet users has been in place since 2000, however, the White House Office of Management and Budget now wants to lift the ban citing a "compelling need."

    In fact, according to the Electronic Privacy and Information Center (EPIC), federal agencies have already negotiated agreements and contracts with social networking sites like Google, YouTube, SlideShare, Facebook, AddThis, Blist, Flickr and VIMEO to collect information on visitors for federal web sites. All of these private companies are known to have agreements with federal agencies, but the public has never seen them.

    In public comments submitted to the Office of Management and Budget, EPIC notes it has obtained documents that show federal agencies have negotiated these contracts with the private sector in violation of "existing statutory privacy rights." Those agencies include: Department of Defense, Department of the Treasury, and the National Security Agency.

    Now, throw in the pressure and influence that is applied on our society from the Obots in the media, from the felons in ACORN and the thousands of active and millions of passive Movement members on a daily basis.

    Defending the Constitution is not always a peaceful event and these people who want to destroy the United States to implement Obama's agenda have just as much at stake as those who want to save her. They have worked a very long time to push the USA to the brink of collapse. They intend to finish the job, one way or another.

    Can't you figure out why no member of congress or the courts will be the first to challenge this evil cabal? This enormous, Hydra-headed monster would apply enormous pressure and use any means to crush opposition to its agenda.

    Think!

    If Americans won’t let leftists have their country, the left will burn it and leave it in ruins. There is no peaceful way out of the corner leftists have placed Americans in. Congress, the courts, even the military brass and law enforcement, will do nothing to save this country. The state run media complex is running interference. The American People are on their own here, and they better start paying attention.

    The only thing that can stop this guy is for constitutionalists to win back control of Congress. Short of that, we're in deep sneakers.
     
  10. H82MIS

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    Undocumented,,,?????????

    "Obama has spent almost $2 million to hide his bona fides from the American People"

    Mark Bazer is an obviously committed Obot. The Chicago-Tribune, an Obama-friendly rag, chose to publish his letter to the editor attacking "Birthers." It's a classic. It's nothing more than a device that the Trib uses to spread Obamaganda and attack Obama's opponents, while avoiding being identified as "yellow journalists." You can read the letter here.

    Basically, Bazer paints the millions of folks who have reasonable questions about Obama's background, or dares to ask a legitimate question about Obama's POTUS eligibility, as crackpots -- and worse:

    "It turns out there are people in this country with a tenuous grip on reality but an insatiable desire for publicity."

    "Now, ideally, you'd hope a person with that combination of traits would do the responsible thing and have octuplets via in-vitro fertilization while on welfare."

    It's Alinsky's Rules #5 and #12 at play -- "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" and "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it" -- so, now that Bazer has applied Alinsky's rules #5 and 12#, and painted the Birther as a Jerry Springer guest, he goes all-in with a bold-faced lie.

    Bazer states that Obama "...already provided his American birth certificate...." -- that statement is absolute nonsense.

    Obama has never, ever, ever done any such thing. In fact, Obama has spent in excess of $2 million to hide his Certificate of Birth from the American People -- whatever country it comes from.

    Then, in order to paint the "Birther" as completely insane, Bazer resorts to guilt by association. He claims "Birthers" evolved from "Truthers."

    Truthers believe Americans blew up other Americans, though they're not quite sure why. Birthers, on the other hand, are just asking the guy in the Oval Office to demonstrate that he is eligible for the office -- and not with some laser-printed piece of paper that many, many high-school students can produce.

    He then goes off on Lou Dobbs and Bill O'Reilly -- and endorses Media Matters, an organization that: "...honorably subjects itself to listening to and transcribing every hate-filled far-right comment made at any time in America. If you made a hate-filled, far-right comment last night at dinner, check the Media Matters Web site; it should be up there." That should tell you something about Bazer's political orientation.

    And all of Bazer's libel, lying and dissimulation is published by a "responsible press" with the singular goal of discrediting anyone that has a question that Obama chooses not to answer. However, I have a flash for Bazer and the press-whores who publish these attacks.

    There is no public evidence, no actual documentation, of an Obama birth -- none -- nada -- zero -- zilch! It's the Immaculate Deception.

    There is evidence a birth was reported -- from data that could have been created any time after the birth -- but that evidence has been discredited as counterfeit by at least three qualified examiners.

    There's no evidence of a marriage between Stanley Anne Dunham and Barack Obama Sr. -- no "marriage announcement" -- no blood tests -- no marriage license -- no photographs -- no minister, judge or guru -- no witnesses or guests -- no cake -- no limo -- no one caught the garter or the bouquet -- there wasn't a bridal shower.

    The first and only known reference to a marriage appears in Anna's 1964 divorce filing, a sworn court document that contains demonstrably false statements. There's no evidence that Obama Sr. was ever served with a copy -- Senior was in Africa. Whatever facts Ann Dunham provided to her attorney were her version of the facts of the relationship. Funny thing, one the best documented parts of Anna's life are her divorces.

    There's no evidence that Anna and Obama Sr. ever lived together except a questionable "birth announcement" and there's no evidence that Barack Obama Sr. is the father of Obama.

    I find the 1972 visit interesting. A lot of things were coming together in 1972. Anna brought "Barry" to Hawaii from Jakarta -- somebody got Barry lined up to attend the prestigious Punahou School -- Senior was sliding out of favor with his superiors in the Kenyan government -- and out of the blue -- another coincidence -- Senior shows up in Hawaii -- "on family business" -- the only time the two Obamas laid eyes on each other. What brought Senior to Hawaii -- in and out --- "on family business." Was a deal made?

    No state, county, city or town has declared itself the birthplace of Obama.

    No hospital claims Obama was born in its facility or on its grounds -- no doctor claims to be the person who brought the Obamamessiah into the world -- no midwife, nurse or nurse's aid has ever claimed they were present at the blessed event -- there's no delivery room imprint of baby Barack's footprint.

    There's no original "Certificate of Birth" -- none -- nada -- zero -- zilch -- and nobody has ever said they saw one -- no one has ever said, "I have seen Barack Obama's original birth certificate." -- no one, except Obama, himself.

    On page 26 of "Dreams...," Obama writes, "I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school...."

    Now there's no birth certificate or old vaccination forms -- there's no scrapbook either -- there's nothing. Remember Obama's raid on grandmother Madelyn's typical white apartment, the evening of her death -- Obama made sure his life was clean -- whatever mementoes and records were in the 86 year-old's apartment accompanied Madelyn to the other side -- their ashes are also in the Pacific -- the only real things in his life are in the Pacific -- and Michelle was video'd jumping onto Obama in an expression of delight -- odd behavior at a burial -- why'd she do that?

    Do you know what we do have? We got Obama's word that he's on the level. That's good enough for Bazer.

    There are no physical paper documents related to Obama during the first five years of his life in the public domain -- and, there isn't a single piece of paper that documents the relationship of Stanley Ann and Senior in the year proceeding his life. There is nothing.

    What Obama offers up is an alleged "autobiography" that is so full of lies, misrepresentations and mischaracterizations that it is correctly described as mythology.

    People have been know to puff up a resume or two, but few have ever made up a complete life history -- and that's exactly what "Dreams..." is -- it's a myth -- Obama's idealized version of his life -- but it's all made up -- like Obama, it isn't real -- but it was first -- now, it's what most people know about him. It's Obama's version of the facts -- demonstrably so -- but he wants us to know that he's on the level.

    Obots, like Bazer, say they have documentation -- they have Obama's "Certification of Live Birth (COLB)," which they always describe as a "birth certificate," and the magic birth announcements -- both "discovered" in the summer of 2008. Somebody in the campaign obviously decided that Obama could be nominated and they better come up some documentation -- somebody might ask if the guy was eligible.

    Obama's "birth certificate" (COLB) appeared on June 12, 2008 on the DailyKos website without any reference as to who released it. There is no provenance explaining where the "birth certificate" (COLB), with the certificate number blacked out, came from. In Hawaii, birth certificates aren’t publicly available and reporters’ requests for one have been ignored for months. There is no explanation as to which official vouches for its origins or its authenticity.

    Hawaii's Hawaii State Registrar, Dr. Alvin T. Onaka, was asked if Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii Department of Health, had confirmed that his office produced a 2007 COLB, date-stamped June 6, 2007, with Obama's birth information on it. His response was, "Absolutely not. No one in our office confirmed it."

    At least one judge has used the Internet COLB to dismiss a challenge to Obama's eligibility.

    And the birth announcements that appear out of the ether on July 22, 2008, raise more questions than they answer. The "birth announcement" is on microfilm/fiche from the Honolulu public library. The microfilm shows a notice placed in the Sunday Advertiser, and dated August 13, 1961. The announcement in the "Births, Marriages, Death" section reads: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4."

    The problem is, Orland Scott Lefforge owned and occupied the house at 6085 Kalanianaole Highway. The "Obamas" didn't live there. Mrs. Lefforge just happened to die 10 days prior to the appearance of the birth announcement that listed her address, so we can’t ask her. But we do know that the next door neighbor told investigators that, "his mama, and his papa never lived there."

    Beatrice Arakaki affirmed she was a neighbor of the address listed. She has lived at her current residence of 6075 Kalanianaole Highway from before 1961 to the present. Mrs. Arakaki told investigators that "his 'mama,' and his 'papa' never lived there." Arakaki told investigators that she had no recollection of Obama being born or of the family living next door having a black child born to a white mother.

    Not a shred of evidence links the Dunhams or Obamas to Kalanianaole Highway. Kalanianaole only surfaced in connection with the Obamas in July 2008. I don’t think you'll be seeing a commemorative plaque on the old homestead anytime soon.

    There is no evidence of Anna's whereabouts in July 1961. If we knew where she actually was in July 1961, we would have half the puzzle solved. But we don't.

    We know that Anna lived apart from Senior -- he in Hawaii -- she in Seattle. Senior never spent one day under the same roof as his namesake. Anna returned to Hawaii after Senior returned to Africa to complete her degree, and begin Obama's education. She enrolled Obama in the Noelani Elementary School Kindergarten.

    Now, get this -- Obama's kindergarten records went missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education. Millions of kids go through Hawaii's kindergartens. Damned bad luck! Obama's kindergarten records have been "lost." Just another strange coincidence in a series of coincidences.

    This loss is important, because Kindergarten records for original school entry would have contained Obama's REAL Certificate of Birth and an application with the following:

    • His Legal name
    • Parents or Legal Guardians’ names
    • Date of Birth
    • Place of Birth
    • Vaccination Records (revealing a timeline to the place and DOB)

    And although Obama has had a first-class education, that spanned 25 years, there is only a single document that has ever been released -- an application for admission to the Fransiscus Assisi Primary School in Jakarta, Indonesia -- the document was discovered by independent investigators.

    The Obots attacked that authentic document, because it identifies Obama as a Muslim and a citizen of Indonesia. It's really something! They love all his phony documentation, but attack the one actual piece of paper that has been released to the public -- and, there'll be nothing else coming from Indonesia.

    Our guy in Jakarta reports that on the 3rd of July 2007, U.S. Congressman Eni Faleomavaega touched down in Jakarta, Indonesia on one of those wonderful, taxpayer-paid junkets. According to his Indonesian sources, the "officials" who accompanied Faleomavaega were interested in acquiring any and all documentation or photographs of a young Barry Soetoro for America's "national archives" and they were offering cash, lots of it. In a show of faith, Barack Obama's childhood school would be one of the very first beneficiaries of this outpouring receiving thousands of dollars to upgrade the school and for the purchase of computer equipment, thanks in part to the benevolence of this visiting junket.

    There followed a lifetime of "missing" documentation -- but it must a coincidence -- it has to be a coincidence -- just keep telling yourself, "it's a coincidence."

    Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
    Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
    Soetoro adoption records -- Not released
    Punahou School records -- Not released
    Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)
    Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Probable counterfeit
    Occidental College records -- Not released and vigorously defended
    Passport records -- Not released and official government passport files scrubbed clean by John O. Brennan -- now Obama's terrorism and intelligence czar

    Just a coincidence?

    Columbia College records -- Not released
    Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
    Harvard College records -- Not released
    Harvard Law Review articles -- None
    Illinois Bar Records -- Not released
    Baptism certificate -- None
    Medical records -- Not released (unless you count a one-pager from his personal physician saying Obama's healthy)

    Just a coincidence?

    Law practice client list -- Not released
    University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None
    Annenberg Challenge Board Minutes -- None
    Illinois State Senate records -- None
    Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost

    Almost 50 years old and there's no paper trail -- coincidence, Mr. Bazer? Would you hire someone with this curriculum vitae? The man is completely undocumented. You don't know anything about Obama -- operative word, KNOW. None of us really do because he and his life are undocumented -- an impossible coincidence -- and Obama fiercely defends the release of what documentation is available.

    Some of us believe that something isn't on the level and that we are entitled as United States citizens to ask any damned politician who he is, what his politics are, what his agenda is, where he came from and who sent him.

    You do know Obama could end all of this with a single phone call -- why doesn't he press the button?

    ????
     
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    From The Courtroom -- The Latest

    The Give Us Liberty blog is blogging from the courtroom. At 9:26 AM there was no visible media turnout for this hearing as in no SatCam uplink trucks.

    At 10:02 Justice Carter noting the packed courtroom and overflow crowd waiting in the hallways has ordered a change to a larger courtroom and has taken a 2 hour recess to accommodate the transfer of officers of the court and spectators.

    The estimated age range of those present is 18 to 80 -- 70% Men -- 30% Women -- age 60+ seems to be the majority.

    Attorney Orly Taitz appeared relaxed -- calm cool and collected.

    Justice Carter recessed the court at 12.30 pst 9/8/09 -- his rulings:

    10/5/09 Defense Motion to Dismiss (MTD) to be heard -- Judge Carter indicated only a very strong compelling reason would move him to dismiss at this point. He will review the defense's 9/4/09 MTD. He wants to hear the case on it's merits. Discovery to be ordered 10/5/09 if Motion to Dismiss is thrown out.

    1/11/10 Pre Trial Set -- procedural for other motions, depositions, scheduling, etc

    1/26/10 Trial Date Set -- earliest available date for Justice Carter.
     
  12. grunt

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    Dept of Justice wants federal court to dismiss case...
     
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    "FATHEAD"- are you Trappy's dad?
     
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    Justice Dept. spending TAXPAYER dollars to defend this jerk,,,WTF,,,
     
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    What good would it be to get rid of hussein and not the rest of the politicians that are voting and passing these bills that will shortly bury us? Some one would take hussein's place and I'm afraid the madness would continue!
     
  17. Frank C

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    Fathead is correct, give it up, they have already falsified the documents so he will come out clean, any lawsuit is just taking our time away from scrutiny of more important, winnable arguments....
     
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    He did not show it when he was running. Now one shows up. Guess what? He's pre and he can get what he wants. Its a fake and will always be a fake. He was born outside the USA and not on USA land. He should not be the Pre.
     
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    Hoy SH*T OICU812. How do have time to shoot trap. It must have taken all day to write that
     
  20. H82MIS

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    pcrc,,who the hell gets to shoot on tuesday????????
     
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