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New AA construction

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by brent375hh, Nov 10, 2009.

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  1. brent375hh

    brent375hh TS Member

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    After dismantling both a Winchester Universal (as sold at Walmart) & a AA hull, the only difference I could find was that the AA was brass as opposed to steel and the plastic was a bit thicker. The base wad seemed the same. It took the same amout of effort (lots) to pull the base wad out.

    Maybe I will try loading some of these.
     
  2. Charles.F.Phillips

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    Actually, the "brass" ain't been brass for years. If you don't believe me, try picking it up with a magnet - if it's brass, it won't be attracted to the magnet.

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie
     
  3. Quack Shot

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    Cowboy1

    I believe that brass is softer than steel, so it may have less effect on the chamber before and after firing. I don't think it makes much difference during the firing of the shell. Brass may be a little kinder to your loader when you resize them.

    I've loaded many thousands of the New Style AA hulls and never encountered a loose basewad. I inspect every hull I load, thoroughly. I also toss them when they show the first signs of deterioration.
     
  4. DTrykow

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    Brent375hh: I've been loading them for years with no problems. The only annoying thing I have is certain wads get hung up on the base wad's lip. Downrange XL and B&P have this problem. Win AA wads do not. I usually have to unload the shot then with my finger lift the wad a little then push and spin the wad down past the lip. I hear a click most times then reload the shot. I've got 1000's of free new AA's from shooters who won't load them.
    Dave T.
     
  5. phirel

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    Brent- How did you get the base wads out? I have tried to do that in the past and couldn't find a way to pull them out.

    Both brass and steel heads will expand when the shells are fired. But the brass is more resilient and will go back to nearly its beginning diameter. The steel heads do not contract much and require more resizing effort.

    Charlie- The AA hulls I reload do have a brass head. Remember, you have to punch out the steel primer before you test them with a magnet. Now- if you have a really big magnet-- it will attract brass. Even light is attracted to a large magnet, but it has to be a really big one.

    Pat Ireland
     
  6. Charles.F.Phillips

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    Pat,

    I was taught in school that magnets only attract ferrous metals, but Ajax's comment about the magnet attracting the primer is probably right on the money. That thought never occurred to me, though it obviously should have...

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie
     
  7. jbmi

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    This got me interested enough that I cut open one of my newer AA hulls. I didn't find the white plastic spacer shown, mine looks like the bottom portion of the red AA hull goes right down to the brass base.
    Is there yet a newer AA?
     
  8. Michael Jobe

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    12 ga AA-HS hulls from before 2006 or 2007 had a basewad that was the same color as the hull. Current construction has a white basewad.

    ~Michael
     
  9. brent375hh

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    Pat,
    I cut off the red sleeve, put the base in a vise and yanked with pliers.

    jbmi,
    I hope what you have is the wave of the future. I am partial to Winchester, but with the few AAs I have loaded, I always look down the barrel after I shoot them.
    I always thought guys who blew the smoke out of their barrels had an annoying habit, but now I know why they do it.

    I have over 1000 of the Universal & Expert Winchesters, and have been on the fence whether to keep them and load for practice, or throw them away, since when I am shooting I should be thinking about my next bird instead of base wad checking. On the other hand, I do not know of anybody that has had one fall into the barrel, and the effort it takes to remove one is great.
     
  10. Dr.Longshot

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    You are probably fine if you are re-loading with a Mec style of primer seating.
    The PW loader could push the base wad up from the base, causing powder to migrate under the base wad an propel it down the Bbl.

    I reload with 2 loaders both Mec a 9000G and and a 9000H hydraulic/w adjustable charging bar.

    Gary Bryant
    Dr.longshot
     
  11. scooterbum

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    Dr.Longshot,

    Using a PW, or any loader, how does powder negotiate to the bottom of the base wad?

    Thank you,
    Longshooter
     
  12. phirel

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    Charlie- If you have a large enough magnet- it will attract any form of matter and most forms or radiation, including light. But, again, I am referring to really large magnets. There is only one magnet on the Earth that is large enough to begin this type of attraction and it is the Earth. If you and I take a trip to some near by Stars, we could find the large magnets I am referring to.

    Pat Ireland
     
  13. Borderland

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    The most annoying aspect of the AAHS is the difficulty of getting a good crimp that closes completely.
     
  14. Charles.F.Phillips

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    Pat,

    I was a little confused. It sounded to me like you were referring to gravity; not magnetism. The gravity of a star is enough to bend light and the gravity of a black hole is so strong that light cannot escape its grasp. However, I looked it up and you are right:

    "...all materials are influenced to greater or lesser degree by the presence of a magnetic field. Some are attracted to a magnetic field (paramagnetism); others are repulsed by a magnetic field (diamagnetism); others have a much more complex relationship with an applied magnetic field. Substances that are negligibly affected by magnetic fields are known as non-magnetic substances. They include copper, aluminium, water, and gases."

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie
     
  15. brent375hh

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    Does anybody else have any new AAs that are one piece?

    BTW the AA base pictured is not "all magneticle" (think Forest Gump) it sure looks like brass to me.
     
  16. comp 1

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    Pat and charles f phillips ,I think you guys are on to something. Now if we can only find some lead shot that is attracted to the pitch in targets.
     
  17. Charles.F.Phillips

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    comp1,

    Wave a magnet over your shotshell just before loading the chamber and voilĂ ! :)


    R/s,<br />
    Charlie
     
  18. Habib

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    DTrykow, which DR XL series wad are you referring to that gets caught on the AA basewad. I have never experienced this with any wad I have used.

    Borderland , lower your precrimp die a little.
     
  19. scooterbum

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    Dtrykow,

    <i>I usually have to unload the shot then with my finger lift the wad a little then push and spin the wad down past the lip.</i>

    You might like to give the claybuster wads a try, the ones with the "lead-in taper", to transition the base wad.

    See website.

    http://www.claybusterwads.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=8
     
  20. hmb

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    We don't need no stinking magnets, learn how to control the shot string using brain waves. HMB
     
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