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Need Info ASAP on Tahoe Hybrid !!!!

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Charlie Becknell, Dec 5, 2008.

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  1. Charlie Becknell

    Charlie Becknell Well-Known Member

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    I may buy a Tahoe Hybrid, I am looking for opinions regarding the Hybrid and personal experience. I may have a deal cooking.

    Charlie
     
  2. englishupland

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    Have a friend with one(Yukon)...Loves it, but also hasn't had it long i.e "issues"
     
  3. Sky Buster

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    According to Car & Driver, for the price you pay there is little
    fuel economy gained.
     
  4. Fox32

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    SAVE YOUR MONEY SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!! Gas Tahoe will get 20MPG. You will have ZERO resale on the Hybrid!!! I have a Chevy truck and get 20 MPG!!! SAVE YOUR MONEY!!!!
     
  5. Charlie Becknell

    Charlie Becknell Well-Known Member

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    When I called Chevy dealership they were offering about $15,000.00 discount on Hybrid. I asked him what the company line would be regarding the vehicle if GM went "belly up"; he did not have an answer, really did not expect a salesman to have one.
     
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    my duramax gets about 22!!!


    tony
     
  7. englishupland

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    Unlikely they will go belly up...The new Hybrid escalade gets about 21 in the city...The gas model 12....highway stays about the same...I know oil is down but 21mpg in the city for a big vehicle like that with that much torque and pulling power is pretty impressive..If I had the dough I'd go for one over the gas model anyday. The idea of the hybrid other than emmisions is to be able to drive the big powerful vehicles and still get the mpgs...There are gas trucks that get 20mpg sure, but not with a big 6.0L 400hp motor they dont
     
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    The electric part on all the hybrids only helps IF you do a lot of CITY driving,,,,on the highway you are still using GAS,,,,it is a like a lot of liberal ideas,,,,sounds good,,,,doesn't work....
     
  9. Chango2

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    Duramax will come close on the road in mpg, and possibly better when towing. I own and enjoy the Duramax, as much as in knock GM's POLICIES. However, I believe Dodge Cummins gets the best fuel mileage of all the big and serious trucks.
     
  10. Ken X

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    In times like this when you should be shooting for 30+ MPG or more, that mileage still stinks! Every test there is, says the mileage increase on SUV's is so small you should save your money! Even 20 is pathetic!
     
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    A friend just reported that her hybrid (Toyota) mileage changes drastically with temperature. Things are fine in warm weather, but as soon as the temperature drops so does mileage - significantly so (about a 30% reduction).

    She's had it long enough that I trust her observations on it.

    How cold does it get where you live?? - And how long does the cold last for??

    Remember those battery powered toys you had as a kid and how poorly they worked when it got really cold?? - Same story here.
     
  12. Charlie Becknell

    Charlie Becknell Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the replies, I live in sunny KY, temp was a balmy 24 degrees yesterday.

    Charlie
     
  13. lc

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    The problem is the value of the car when you decide to trade it for another vehicle. No body can give you an answer.
     
  14. Chango2

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    Interesting information about the hybrid.
     
  15. CalvinMD

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    I'm waiting for hydrogen
     
  16. W.P.T.

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    There was an article in one of the Auto Magazines and it said that until they can get them to produce 1.5 times the normal mileage they are not worth what you pay for them when you buy it and no one knows what it will cost you in the end ... I cannot remember what magazine it was but I recall reading it not very long ago ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  17. bcnu

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    I work at a Chevrolet dealership in Springfield Mo. and we have sold all we could get of the new ones and have had 2 in the pre owned section. One owner reported almost 25 MPG on the highway and 20 in town on his. We have a used one that is stickered at 39,995 but could be bought for abut36k. New it was abut 55 when it first came out. Have not been out long enough to know for sure though. No service related issues on any here though. John
     
  18. Big Heap

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    Wall Street Journal DRIVERS SEAT DECEMBER 5, 2008 Cadillac's Not-So-Green Goliath
    The hulking Escalade Hybrid comes overloaded with features that keep its gas mileage anemicBy JEFF SABATINI

    Not in my lifetime has a car company come up with anything as absurd as the 2009 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid, the latest example of hybrid greenwashing. The two-wheel-drive model's 20-mpg combined fuel-economy rating may be 5 miles per gallon better than the regular Escalade's, but it's still tied for the worst mileage of any hybrid vehicle rated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The beefier four-wheel-drive hybrid weighs so much that it is exempt from government mileage testing. Imagine that, a hybrid that falls into the same category as Hummers and Ford Excursions.
    Like every other Escalade, the hybrid model reeks of excess rather than thrift. Most hybrids employ smaller-than-standard gasoline engines as part of their strategy to help boost fuel economy, though Cadillac's idea of downsizing the huge 6.2-liter V8 in the standard Escalade is the merely extremely large 6.0-liter V8 found in the hybrid. General Motors'"two-mode" hybrid drive system employed here differs from most complementary electric-motor assists in that it's designed to ensure that this giant, eight-passenger truck can still tow up to 5,800 pounds, nearly a ton for each of its three rows of seats. No great surprise, then, that GM originally developed this hybrid system for commercial buses.
    The Escalade Hybrid rides on 22-inch wheels, which are at least 4 inches bigger and thus many pounds heavier than any sensible engineer would choose if truly concerned with improving fuel economy. But instead of figuring out how to strip out the superfluous to shed pounds and thus boost mileage, the Kafka-esque nature of being assigned to design a hybrid luxury SUV means packing in features like power running boards that automatically drop down when you open a door (giving you a nice whack in the shin if you're not careful). A remote starter allows you to fire up your Escalade Hybrid and let it warm up in the driveway, gasoline engine idling away, a gratuitous touch that proved damaging to my attempts at achieving decent fuel economy.
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    GM/WieckDuring a cold November week, the hybrid Cadillac managed only 17 miles per gallon under my charge, this 15% below its EPA rating. By comparison, that's the same as the EPA rating for the 2009 Chevrolet Tahoe XFE, a new, lightened version of the GM SUV on which the Escalade is based. This makes me wonder what kind of mileage GM could get out of the Escalade if it did similarly: Forget the complicated hybrid system and its heavy battery pack entirely and just use the smaller V8, with its cylinder-deactivation technology and a mere 332 horsepower compared with the 403 in the standard Escalade. But that's a rational attempt at improving fuel economy, with little marketable value. At its core, the Escalade is among the most irrational vehicles on the road, embodying the hip-hop ethos of consumerism and living large.

    The other culprit for my mediocre mileage is that the Escalade Hybrid has to warm up before the vehicle can function as a hybrid. Until the gasoline engine reaches its optimal operating temperature, the hybrid system's automatic-stop feature, which can shut down the gasoline engine when the vehicle stops or its speed drops below about 25 miles per hour, does not work. Thus, if you take short trips and the engine stays cold, you can still waste plenty of gas idling at a stop. Another damning factor is my driving style, which, like most drivers', is in no way designed to achieve optimal fuel economy. This brings up the most salient point in discussing hybrids, which is that they respond even better to the same sorts of miserly habits as nonhybrid vehicles, namely driving slower, coasting and avoiding rapid acceleration. The converse, that lead-footed hot-shoeing sucks down the gas all the same, is also true.
    While we're talking numbers, let's calculate the point where it makes financial sense to buy the hybrid Escalade over the standard model -- not because it's really going to factor into anyone's decision, but because it can make for good comedy. About a year ago I reviewed the hybrid Lexus LS 600hL luxury sedan, the once-and-still king of stupid hybrids with its six-figure price tag and 2.1-million-mile break-even. Given that the $72,865 hybrid Escalade carries just a $10,930 premium over the base model, using the EPA's fuel-economy ratings (however accurate or inaccurate they may be) and with gas averaging three bucks a gallon, payback would come in a mere 218,600 miles. At least that number seems possible.
    What's impossible, however, is to look anyone in the face and say you bought an Escalade Hybrid because you care about the environment.
    Write to Jeff Sabatini at jeff.sabatini@wsj.com
     
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    The extra cost of the hybrid definitely isn't worth the added gas millage. You still only get what, 20, 21mpg? Figure out just exactly how long it would take for the initial extra cost of the hybrid to break even with a non-hybrid car. Make your decision off of that.
    -Trappy
     
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