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Nebraska - gun bans yes, jail criminals no.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

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    LINCOLN — After Omaha's year of violence — 41 homicides, peaking Dec. 5 with a 19-year-old killing eight people and himself at the Von Maur department store — some Nebraska lawmakers say it's time to clamp down on guns.

    In The World-Herald's annual survey of state senators, 11 of 42 participating lawmakers said the Legislature should do something in 2008 to address gun violence, although proposals remain in the works and specifics are few.

    Those lawmakers would need help, and it isn't clear how many of their colleagues might agree with them. Twenty-seven state senators indicated that they were undecided about the issue or declined to give a yes or no answer to the question.

    Several said no law could have prevented the Von Maur shooting.

    "What would you have us do? Total gun control? Absolutely not!" said State Sen. Carol Hudkins of Malcolm. "The nuts and the criminals will still find a way to get a gun."

    Omaha Sen. Ernie Chambers, the Legislature's only black member, long has called for stricter enforcement of gun laws. He said that in his view, local, state and federal law enforcement have not been sufficiently concerned about Omaha's gun violence because it involved young black men committing crimes against black citizens.

    Chambers, whose 44-year-old son suffered injuries in a shooting Thursday, did not take part in the survey.

    In an interview Wednesday, he said he had no plans to introduce a gun control bill in 2008. "No matter what law we put on the books, if they're not enforced, they're dead letters," he said.

    Sens. Deb Fischer of Valentine and Tom Hansen of North Platte, said they were opposed to debating gun issues in 2008.

    Fischer said the Legislature already faces plenty of other tough issues, and she had yet to see any specific legislation proposed by the City of Omaha.

    "It's up to the city," she said. "I think we need to be cautious with any proposal."

    Sen. Brad Ashford of Omaha said this week that he will propose a multipart gun control bill.

    It would call for higher minimum prison sentences for those convicted of using a gun in a felony, require people to store guns under lock and key and require prompt reporting of stolen weapon. He also may propose requiring permits to own some weapons.

    Ashford said his aim is to keep certain semiautomatic weapons, such as AK-47-style rifles, out of the hands of people with severe mental illness. However, he is still working out the details and may not be able to introduce that provision this session.

    Ashford said gun-rights politics for too long has blocked a serious discussion of gun safety measures.

    "It's easier to say, 'Let's put people in jail who commit crimes,' than to say, 'Are there things to keep guns out of the hands of children, out of the hands of people who commit crimes and out of the hands of people with mental illness?'" he said.

    On the other philosophical side is Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial, who is considering introducing legislation to make it easier for people to carry concealed weapons.

    He said someone with a concealed weapon might have been able to stop perpetrator Robert Hawkins before he opened fire at Von Maur, although it's hard to say because Hawkins appeared bent on suicide.

    "A criminal is going to have a gun whether it's legal to carry it or not," Christensen said. "Banks ban guns on their premises. I've asked them a number of times why. They're putting up a sign — 'come rob us, there's no innocent people here with guns.' "

    Nebraska already has a law allowing people to get permits to carry concealed handguns, although towns and business premises are allowed to individually ban the weapons.

    Christensen is considering legislation that would allow people with permits to at least travel through areas where weapons are banned without risking arrest for carrying them.

    Other lawmakers said a solution probably falls somewhere in between.

    "I want to make sure the laws have an actual impact and not just infringe on lawful gun owners," said Sen. Amanda McGill of Lincoln. "The Von Maur case was such an extreme case, I'm not sure any gun control law could have changed that. But I don't think everybody having a loaded gun on their hip would have helped either."

    Sen. Abbie Cornett of Bellevue said she could support gun restrictions on family members of those with mental illness or a history of violence.

    "Gun control or not, that's one step I can take," she said. "Why in the world would somebody with a child with mental illness have guns in the house?"

    Legislative Speaker Mike Flood of Norfolk said he does not believe gun control legislation is the answer.

    But he does believe violence in Omaha is a state problem that needs state attention.

    Flood said he would support devoting manpower from the Nebraska State Patrol if the Omaha Police Department desires assistance. "It's no less of a state issue than if it were happening in Kimball," he said.

    Contact the Omaha World-Herald newsroom
     
  2. JBrooks

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    Who needs guns are the Nebraska football players.
     
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    As the girly men proliferate so increase the gun laws, in lock step.

    In my world the gun using punks would be dead before they had a chance to do much damage.

    Only free people can own weapons.

    HM
     
  4. Hipshot 3

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    They're just pissed cause the football team went south!
     
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    <a name="1273679">Subject:</a> Nebraska - gun bans yes,
    jail criminals no.<br>
    From: Brian in Oregon<br>
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    Date: Fri, Jan 04, 2008 - 08:37 PM CT<br>
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    LINCOLN — After Omaha's year of violence — 41 homicides, peaking Dec. 5 with
    a 19-year-old killing eight people and himself at the Von Maur department store
    — some Nebraska lawmakers say it's time to clamp down on guns.
    We were the 38th? state to pass the CCW permit. We
    passed it three times but the anti guns convinced judges to throw out our
    election results because that wasn't REALLY want the voters meant.



    In The World-Herald's annual survey of state senators, 11 of 42 participating
    lawmakers said the Legislature should do something in 2008 to address gun
    violence, although proposals remain in the works and specifics are few.


    Those lawmakers would need help, and it isn't clear how many of their
    colleagues might agree with them. Twenty-seven state senators indicated that
    they were undecided about the issue or declined to give a yes or no answer to
    the question.


    Several said no law could have prevented the Von Maur shooting.


    "What would you have us do? Total gun control? Absolutely not!" said State
    Sen. Carol Hudkins of Malcolm. "The nuts and the criminals will still find a way
    to get a gun." The Von Maur gun used was one of the first
    ones used that wasn't illegal. Most of the homicides are done with
    stolen guns by illegal shooters.


    Omaha Sen. Ernie Chambers, the Legislature's only black member, long has
    called for stricter enforcement of gun laws. A handgun
    purchase has to be approved by the Omaha police department, or you can't buy it.
    This is in addition to the State Handgun purchase permit to buy a handgun.
    Chambers has also spent most of his entire career the rejecting the laws
    of Nebraska. He has vigorously tried to abolish the death penalty
    (because it is cruel and inhumane) through the use of the filibuster. Many
    of the Nebraska inmates sitting on death row are black which is supposed to be
    his home district. He said that in his view, local, state and
    federal law enforcement have not been sufficiently concerned about Omaha's gun
    violence because it involved young black men committing crimes against black
    citizens. Chambers has taught them that you don't have to
    follow the law because you are black. He sued the state patrol when they
    clocked him speeding. Chambers won since the state decided not to fight
    and waste the taxpayer dollars. Chambers has a lawsuit pending against
    GOD, don't know if he checked with Grammie. Grammie would leave him in the
    desert (based on earlier posts)? GOD has not answered yet.



    Chambers, whose 44-year-old son suffered injuries in a
    shooting Thursday God has now answered, did
    not take part in the survey.


    In an interview Wednesday, he said he had no plans to introduce a gun control
    bill in 2008. "No matter what law we put on the books, if they're not enforced,
    they're dead letters," he said.


    Sens. Deb Fischer of Valentine and Tom Hansen of North Platte, said they were
    opposed to debating gun issues in 2008.


    Fischer said the Legislature already faces plenty of other tough issues, and
    she had yet to see any specific legislation proposed by the City of Omaha
    Omaha has the strictest gun laws in the state and they are
    not stopping the black on black violence. Why
    should all senators make gun laws to fix Omaha and have them apply to rural
    Nebraska where cows outnumber the people. They don't have a mall to shoot
    up in rural Nebraska and most pickup trucks have at least one gun in them.



    "It's up to the city," she said. "I think we need to be cautious with any
    proposal."


    Sen. Brad Ashford of Omaha said this week that
    he will propose a multipart gun control bill.


    It would call for higher minimum prison sentences for those convicted of
    using a gun in a felony, require people to store guns under lock and key and
    require prompt reporting of stolen weapon. He also may propose requiring permits
    to own some weapons. Ashford's business had signs
    preventing CCWs but may have been pulled down. I don't think many of
    Senator Chambers constituents are Ashford's customers.


    Ashford said his aim is to keep certain semiautomatic weapons, such as
    AK-47-style rifles, out of the hands of people with severe mental illness.
    However, he is still working out the details and may not be able to introduce
    that provision this session. Is this like Virginia
    Tech.... all the signs were there yet you chose to do nothing until something
    bad happened?


    Ashford said gun-rights politics for too long has
    blocked a serious discussion of gun safety measures.
    Only one section of one city has a problem. Why
    punish the entire state of hunting enthusiasts and sporting shooters?



    "It's easier to say, 'Let's put people in jail who commit crimes,' than to
    say, 'Are there things to keep guns out of the hands of children, out of the
    hands of people who commit crimes and out of the hands of people with mental
    illness?'" he said. We are going to
    have to get Brad Ashford to come to the state high school shoot where 500+
    Junior high and 1200+ high school students compete in three days in one of the
    largest youth shoots in the country with NO GUN ACCIDENTS!!! In Nebraska,
    you can major in swine farming and trap shooting and the trapshooting may earn
    you a scholarship. Numerous students have earned an offer for a
    Trapshooting scholarship based on high school competitions. We don't
    regulate the rural kids and prevent them from bull riding, bronc busting, or
    calf wrestling because it is to dangerous for them. Trapshooting is a
    sport where a kid from a small town and a low dollar gun can kick a city kids
    butt even though they have a high dollar gun...... it is called PRACTICE!!


    On the other philosophical side is Sen. Mark Christensen of Imperial
    (rural), who is considering introducing legislation
    to make it easier for people to carry concealed weapons.
    Mall took signs down after shooting?


    He said someone with a concealed weapon might have been able to stop
    perpetrator Robert Hawkins before he opened fire at Von Maur, although it's hard
    to say because Hawkins appeared bent on suicide.


    "A criminal is going to have a gun whether it's legal to carry it or not,"
    Christensen said. "Banks ban guns on their premises (We
    had a large rash of bank robberies in Omaha, and most of the banks hired off
    duty officers to sit in their lobbies until they caught the robbers).
    I've asked them a number of times why. They're putting up a sign — 'come rob us,
    there's no innocent people here with guns.' "


    Nebraska already has a law allowing people to get permits to carry concealed
    handguns, although towns and business premises are allowed to individually ban
    the weapons.


    Christensen is considering legislation that would allow people with permits
    to at least travel through areas where weapons are banned without risking arrest
    for carrying them.


    Other lawmakers said a solution probably falls somewhere in between.


    "I want to make sure the laws have an actual impact and not just infringe on
    lawful gun owners," said Sen. Amanda McGill of Lincoln. "The Von Maur case was
    such an extreme case, I'm not sure any gun control law could have changed that.
    But I don't think everybody having a loaded gun on their hip would have helped
    either."


    Sen. Abbie Cornett of Bellevue said she could support
    gun restrictions on family members (shooter was
    living in her district) of those with mental
    illness or a history of violence.


    "Gun control or not, that's one step I can take," she said. "Why in the world
    would somebody with a child with mental illness have guns in the house
    (the
    gun was in his step father's house were he couldn't live
    (kicked out) and he took without permission) ?"



    Legislative Speaker Mike Flood of Norfolk (rural)
    said he does not believe gun control legislation is the answer.


    But he does believe violence in Omaha is a state problem that needs state
    attention.


    Flood said he would support devoting manpower from the Nebraska State Patrol
    if the Omaha Police Department desires assistance. "It's no less of a state
    issue than if it were happening in Kimball," he said.


    Contact the Omaha World-Herald newsroom Sorry for the
    rant, but we hear this whine on a regular basis. Yet the students who are
    caught with pistols are given ankle bracelets and ordered to attend public high
    school. You don't get it do you? Maybe we could hire Grammie to run
    a boot camp for them. JMHO Your opinion will vary. Omaha



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  6. Brian in Oregon

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    Omaha, I used to live on N. 76 St, just a few blocks from Maple, in the Keystone district.
     
  7. omahasportingsupply

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    Brian
    Our police chief quit today and his last day will be Friday. He is making $137,000 per year and his pension will be about $99,000. The contract calls for pensions to be reduced for fire and police who retire in the future so many veterans are getting out this contract. I live at Highway 370 between Bellevue and Papillion. Omaha
     
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