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  1. stims

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    This is an article from The Carroll Iowa Daily Times Herald 2/17/09

    Whats the real agenda?



    2/17/2009

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    The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of a suspected arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect. ... The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.


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    Guardsmen to conduct urban training at Arcadia in April

    By BUTCH HEMAN
    Staff Writer



    The Carroll National Guard unit will train on urban military operations by holding a four-day exercise at Arcadia.

    The purpose of the April 2-5 drill will be to gather intelligence, then search for and apprehend a suspected weapons dealer, according to Sgt. Mike Kots, readiness NCO for Alpha Company.

    Citizens, law enforcement, media and other supporters will participate.

    Troops will spend Thursday, April 2, staging at a forward operations base at Carroll. The next day company leaders will conduct reconnaissance and begin patrolling the streets of Arcadia to identify possible locations of the weapons dealer.

    The primary phase will be done Saturday, April 4, when convoys will be deployed from Carroll to Arcadia. Pictures of the arms dealer will be shown in Arcadia, and soldiers will go door to door asking if residents have seen the suspect.

    Soldiers will knock only at households that have agreed to participate in the drill, Kots noted.

    "Once credible intelligence has been gathered," said Kots, "portions of the town will be road-blocked and more in-depth searches of homes and vehicles will be conducted in accordance with the residents' wishes.

    "One of the techniques we use in today's political environment is cordon and knock," Kots explained. "We ask for the head of the household, get permission to search, then have them open doors and cupboards. The homeowner maintains control. We peer over their shoulder, and the soldier uses the homeowner's body language and position to protect him."

    During this phase of the operation, troops will interact with residents and media while implementing crowd-control measures and possibly treating and evacuating injured persons.

    The unit will use a Blackhawk helicopter for overhead command and control, and to simulate medevacs.

    The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer.

    Alpha Company will conduct a review of the drill on Sunday, April 5.

    A meeting to give residents more information and accept volunteers will be held 7 p.m. Monday, March 2, in the Arcadia American Legion hall.

    Kots said the exercise will replace Alpha Company's weekend drill for April.

    "We have a lot of extended drills this coming year," he added.

    In addition to surveillance, searching and apprehension, the exercise will also give the troops valuable experience in stability, support, patrol, traffic control, vehicle searches and other skills needed for deployment in an urban environment.

    "This exercise will improve the real-life operational skills of the unit," said Kots. "And it will hopefully improve the public's understanding of military operations."

    The pre-drill work with residents is as important at the drill itself.

    "It will be important for us to gain the trust and confidence of the residents of Arcadia," said Kots. "We will need to identify individuals that are willing to assist us in training by allowing us to search their homes and vehicles and to participate in role-playing."

    "We really want to get as much information out there as possible, because this operation could be pretty intrusive to the people of Arcadia."
     
  2. TommyTEREX

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    May ve see your papers?

    Tom R.
     
  3. FN in MT

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    Would be amusing if residents simply chose to not play the game..... Didn't answer their doors or refused the Guardsman entry.

    Still....this is a disturbing article to read.

    FN in MT
     
  4. gun fitter

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    As Brooks would say ROFLMAO!

    What a waist of time!.....-"The drill will culminate in the apprehension of the suspected arms dealer." They have scripted a plan. this is phony Propiganda and not training. Otherwise they would be attempting to apprehend not culminating in the aprehension. This is a joke. I doubt that the guard could apprehend a suspected Girlscout let alone an arms dealer imbeded in a native community.

    Iowa You got to be kidding me people are too nice out there! Why not stop waisting time and money and have them work with the DEA in South Dentral LA.

    There are plenty of Drug and arms dealers and then they might do some good.

    Joe
     
  5. pyrdek

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    And what happens when someone who doesn't know about the "game" decides that this is the time to "Fly the Black Flag"? That is to fight rather than surrender. Then the REAL BULLETS may start flying. What comes next, Helicopter gun ships, Predator drones with missiles, C-130's with Gatling Guns?

    How many times have law enforcement at all levels staged raids on "illegal arms dealers", narcotic dealers and who knows what else? Even with the "need" to have a warrant, they still manage to find the wrong house on the wrong street. Now you let a couple of hundred armed Guardsmen come knocking on doors of "only willing participants", and how long before they just happen to get the wrong house? What happens if the homeowner figures it is some kind of home invasion, which it WOULD be, and decides to try to stop it? Can you say TROUBLE like you never thought you would see in the U.S.A.?
     
  6. BigM-Perazzi

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    Sounds like the simple answer is "No, and No" Beyond that, it's private property, and those laws will apply.....
     
  7. stims

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    Nice thought Fred and thank you for your service, but I have never heard of using private citizens with their homes to practice anything militarily, I believe the government has sufficient bases to train on. There's an agenda here without a doubt and it has nothing to do with afganistan. being nieve will get your guns confiscated!markdenis is 100% correct this administration doesn't believe in individual freedom. They are going to try and strip us away of everything we stand for.......................
     
  8. Dednlost

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    Can you imagine the liability using civilian areas for military training? That and the fact that the military has many sophisticated training facilities makes this very troublsome.
     
  9. gun fitter

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    "did it ever occur to any of you this is most likely training for Iraq and Afghanistan?" Of course it is...But wait a minute were going to be leaving that part of the world. At least according with the Pres..

    Hidden agenda I think not. Stupid and ineffective yes. I asked an aquantance of mine with black ops experience his thoughts. Nearly pissed himself laughing. The type of op described is dangerous for a large group. Remember if we are talking about Muslim terrorists they will blow up a whole block if they think it will kill one American. Better to use native civilian assets for intel and a small 8 to 20 man team for apprehension.

    Lastly unless there has been a huge change in policy since the inauguration. SOP is to take out high value targets not apprehend them.
     
  10. JerryP

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    They are going to practice looking for an arms dealer in people's "cupboards" ? a bit transparent.
     
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    "did it ever occur to any of you this is most likely training for Iraq and Afghanistan?" Of course it is...But wait a minute were going to be leaving that part of the world. At least according with the Pres..

    Hidden agenda I think not. Stupid and ineffective yes. I asked an aquantance of mine with black ops experience his thoughts. Nearly pissed himself laughing. The type of op described is dangerous for a large group. Remember if we are talking about Muslim terrorists they will blow up a whole block if they think it will kill one American. Better to use native civilian assets for intel and a small 8 to 20 man team for apprehension.

    Lastly unless there has been a huge change in policy since the inauguration. SOP is to take out high value targets not apprehend them.
    Joe
     
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    I was a Active Duty E7 Signal Sergeant stationed with the Iowa Army National Guard in Cedar Rapids Iowa in the 80-83 Time frame. We did preform out of state training at federal military bases for the National Guard 2 week annual training. There were units that were not allocated enough money for out of state training at federal installations so unique plans(especially for Infantry and Military Police Units) had to be developed for training near the local armories. There were times when we had communication crews located on farm's and lived there for days. National Guards units need continue to train regardless of the money allocated by the State or Federal budget. All of us who are supporters of the 2d Amendment know how this sounds to us. We should listen to those who live in and around Arcadia IA and then voice our concern on the merit of this training exercise based the the local residents comments.
    Remember the NEWS media.

    Mike P in Highland WI
     
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  14. stims

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    Mike P

    Money doesn't seem to be an issue on this....Blackhawk's can't be cheap! I'm aware of the rural training excercise,this is urban stuff this is uncalled for and as far as the media, liberal media, they're eating this shit up they love it thats why its reported. This really is some disturbing stuff we need to wake up and I hate to say I think 2010 for this second amendment march may be too late.
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

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    Where is this at? And is there a link to the article?
     
  16. stims

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    Brian I had a link but you can google carroll Iowa Daily Times Herald national guard it should pop up
     
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    http://www.carrollspaper.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=7451&SectionID=1&SubSectionID=&S=1

    Take a look at jerbears video on here
     
  18. waterhouselake

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    Put these guys on the border. They can get both drugs and weapons....
     
  19. Jerbear

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    Looks like it's been scrapped. See the above link.


    Jerbear
     
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    Can this be a softening up for possible disregard for the fourth amendment? Do it enough times and many people will think it is OK to ransack folks homes.
     
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