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Nation of takers not makers

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by wolfram, Apr 4, 2011.

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  1. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    I can understand why this is.

    I have spent my working career as a maker (mineral processing/mining) and have enjoyed it in that I got to live out in the open country but the downside was riding the roller coaster of metal prices and having to find a new job and start all over about a half a dozen times. I'm sure the makers in other industries had it equally hard.

    Meanwhile the takers didn't have all those career interuptions and at this point have pretty decent retirement plans in front of them.

    The smart move seems like it would have been better to be a taker. But guess what, were broke so what ever the takers think they have coming may not materialize.
     
  2. bsekf

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    Read "The Creature from Jekyll Island" about the Federal Reserve. Keep in mind that it was written in 1994. It discusses the IMF and the World Bank as well as the Federal Reserve and the New World Order. You will understand the bailouts.....they were planned at the meeting on Jekyll Island in the 1800's. Pretty scary stuff. The whole system is set up to turn us into a socialist nation where everybody works for the government. HELLO!! GM and Chrysler! Protect the politicians and set up the banking system so the taxpayer keeps them solvent. Personal wealth is eroded by inflation. Anything sound familiar yet?

    Bill
     
  3. bsekf

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    Rick,

    I just read your post and you are wrong. There is all kinds of money. The Federal Reserve, the IMF and the World Bank will lend us all we want. Of course they know full well we can't pay it back and we will be on the path to a 3rd world country....and that, my friends, is the plan! They control South America, Latin America, Africa, and most of Europe. The USA is the only one left.

    We have got to stop the bailouts and make those responsible pay. 2 Billion given to Brazil to prop up a government owned oil industry...What a joke! It will be a miracle if 1 million is use to produce oil. Guess where the rest goes? It rolls over Brazilian debt. In other words, pays the interest so they can borrow more.

    Bill
     
  4. wolfram

    wolfram Well-Known Member

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    Bill,

    The part that I just can't quite understand is how can we give money away that we don't have. Yes I realize that it is just a game being played with tokens and markers but at some point our freshly minted markers will fail to motivate the rest of the world.

    Meanwhile inside the land of plenty, we celebrate the big takers like lawyers, politicians, bankers and real estate traders and steer our kids to those professions as oppposed to some lowly maker's job. On the otherside of the world, there are plenty of makers that are doing a great job of collecting our game pieces.
     
  5. sernv99

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    this Moore guy is a friggin academic econ reject....a quote from the article:

    "Don't expect a reversal of this trend anytime soon. Surveys of college graduates are finding that more and more of our top minds want to work for the government. Why? Because in recent years only government agencies have been hiring, and because the offer of near lifetime security is highly valued in these times of economic turbulence. When 23-year-olds aren't willing to take career risks, we have a real problem on our hands. Sadly, we could end up with a generation of Americans who want to work at the Department of Motor Vehicles........The employment trends described here are explained in part by hugely beneficial productivity improvements in such traditional industries as farming, manufacturing, financial services and telecommunications. These produce far more output per worker than in the past. The typical farmer, for example, is today at least three times more productive than in 1950."



    so he is getting on his pulpit and dictating to everyone what career they should aspire to, namely risking their financial future on careers that will most likely see their job shipped off overseas to some 3rd world country. This guy is an a$$hat. He is a "conservative" in bed with big business who gladly ships American jobs overseas yet he wants the recent college graduates to take a "risk" in their careers and find jobs where the job security is shaky at best.I bet he isn't giving that advice to his own children!! LMAO
     
  6. shelly

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    Thanks to 99 for the looney leftist view he always espouses. Takers like 99 will never be makers.
     
  7. sernv99

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    shelly, you are a "maker" alright.....now go make my burger and fries and make sure you give me extra ketchup.
     
  8. shelly

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    Keep on sniffing that glue 99- LOL.
     
  9. drh08

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    Please re-read the first post and take a second look at the comparison factor. The entire post was designed for an emotional response and nothing more. The comparison in manufacturing jobs ( which have been declining in the US for a while) to Government workers? A much better comparison would be the number of government workers to people ratio, but the author chose not to use that. Saying a government worker is a taker is simply an opinion, how many are willing to walk up to someone in the military and tell them they are a taker (they work for the government).
     
  10. JohnBT

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    It makes sense that there are more government employees today than in 1960. The U.S. population has nearly doubled - from about 170 million to about 310 million. I wonder if that number includes undocumented workers. :)

    We all know what happened to the manufacturing base. It headed to where the labor is cheaper.

    I bet if we hired politicians from overseas we could save a lot on salaries. (In an Asian accent... "Hello, my name is John and I'll be your Senator today."
     
  11. halfmile

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    99, which news organ publishes YOUR columns?

    The comments on education hit the mark.

    99 is just like Allan (Weasel) Colmes, chiming in with inane comments whether they make sense or not.

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  12. sernv99

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    Moore is talking out of his a$$ and halfmile is on his knees, mouth wide open, eating it all up....with shelly behind him picking up anything left over LMAO


    halfmile, if you want to follow Moore's way of thinking and aspire to be a ditch digger, then more power to you buddy.


    Since Moore mentions NY, here is the local breakout of public sector employees in NY:

    http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/09locny.txt

    and at the state level

    http://www2.census.gov/govs/apes/09stny.txt
     
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