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Murphy's Law...

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by rpeerless, Aug 10, 2013.

  1. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    http://libertyalliance.com/2013/08/senator-thinks-second-amendment-is-not-an-absolute-right/
     
  2. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/2nd-amendment/

    "Of course we have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to self-defense, etc., etc. Our Declaration of Independence (2nd para) recognizes that our Rights come from God and are unalienable.

    The 2nd Amendment to our federal Constitution recognizes that this God-given right to keep and bear arms is to be free from any interference WHATSOEVER from the federal government.

    Our Framers were all for an armed American People – they understood that arms are our ultimate defense in the event the federal government oversteps its bounds. See, e.g., what James Madison, Father of Our Constitution, writes in the second half of Federalist Paper No. 46! The reason the Citizens – the Militia – are armed is to defend ourselves, our families, our neighborhoods, communities, and States from an overreaching, tyrannical federal government."
     
  3. Zoom.Golly

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    Actually the militas were formed to fight the Indians long before there was a Federal government.
     
  4. bigdogtx

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    Sam,,,,,,who formed them??? Got some historical references??? I don't remember studying your claim.
     
  5. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Bigdog, Wikipedia, it has a wealth of information.

    History[edit source | edit]Colonial era, pre-1774[edit source | edit]
    Braddock's defeat, 1755The early colonists of America considered the militia an important social institution, necessary to provide defense and public safety. [5]

    During the French and Indian Wars, town militia formed a recruiting pool for the Provincial Forces. The legislature of the colony would authorize a certain force level for the season's campaign, based on that set recruitment quotas for each local militia. In theory, militia members could be drafted by lot if there were inadequate forces for the Provincial Regulars; however, the draft was rarely resorted to because provincial regulars were highly paid (more highly paid than their regular British Army counterparts) and rarely engaged in combat.

    In September 1755, George Washington, then adjutant-general of the Virginia militia, upon a frustrating and futile attempt to call up the militia to respond to a frontier Indian attack:[6]

    "...he experienced all the evils of insubordination among the troups, perverseness in the militia, inactivity in the officers, disregard of orders, and reluctance in the civil authorities to render a proper support. And what added to his mortification was, that the laws gave him no power to correct these evils, either by enforcing discipline, or compelling the indolent and refractory to their duty" ... "The militia system was suited for only to times of peace. It provided for calling out men to repel invasion; but the powers granted for effecting it were so limited, as to be almost inoperative.[6]"

    See New Hampshire Provincial Regiment for a history of a Provincial unit during the French and Indian War.
     
  6. Zoom.Golly

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    Well BigDog, who do you think fought the Indians? There were no British troops in the country before 1755, and those came after 1755 came to fight the French. Who fought the Indians in King Philips War (on a per capita basis the bloodiest war in our history), Powhatten Wars, Yamasee Wars, Pequot War, and a couple of dozen more? It wasn't the redcoats.

    The milita wasn't there to fight the red coats 'cause there weren't any red coats over here.
     
  7. Zoom.Golly

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    More history - The great French fort of Louisbourg was captured in 1745 by New England militia with the help on the Royal Navy. No Red Coats were there.
     
  8. flashmax

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    Maybe you are ALL forgetting something. King Philip, King William, and Queen Anne's wars. You are all forgetting ( or perhaps none of you knew ) that Rangers were formed in 1676 and were PROFESSIONAL ( paid ) Soldiers of the Empire. The firsty captain of Rangers was Co, Benjamin Church and employed by Josiah Winslow of Plymouth Colony ( a British Colony ). They were formed because the Soldiers of the Crown were not competent in the type of warfare the "Indians" fought. You are all overlooking the FACT that prior to the USA being founded in fire and revolution that all the 'Governors" were representative of the British Monarchy and that the colonists were SUBJECTS of the Crown. That British Soldiers were the enforcers of the Gobvernor's edicts and at hand all over the New Lands. From the first time a Brit was named Governor he had Brit Soldiers at his side. No British soldiers (Troops) before 1775? Horse Manure. All your 'militia' cries are meaningless in that context. It was ONLY after the birth of these here United States of America that the term militia becomes of value in describing a "Citizen Soldier" ready to serve his fellows to the point of giving his own life in the defense of theirs. Prior they were simply levied and compelled to serve at the pleasure of whichever despot held the power.

    Please. Read what you have written and then read a little actual history so that you can be a bit more accurate in your pronouncements.

    Don T. Professional Soldier (retired) Littleton CO