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Mossberg SA-20 Bantam as Starter Gun?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by GW22, Dec 4, 2010.

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  1. GW22

    GW22 Active Member

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    I'm struggling to find a starter gun for my 10 year-old boy. I'm trying to stay under $500 at this point. He weighs 93 pounds and has to lean way back to counter-balance a Remington LT-20 or 11-87. I considered an 870-Youth with a recoil reduction system but it's too heavy also. I don't want to go with an H&R/NEF because of recoil. He shot a Mossberg 500 Bantam pumpgun and liked it, but it had a recoil reduction system on it that put the total cost of the gun well over $600. That seems a bit silly for a Mossberg. So what's left?

    The only other thing I can think of is a really small, lightweight, gas operated semi-auto -- the Mossberg SA-20 Bantam. Unfortunately I've never laid eyes on one and I'm not a fan of guns made in Turkey.

    Do any of you have experience with this specific shotgun that you'd be willing to share? I'm open to other suggestions, but I've already considered the usual suspects.

    -Gary
     
  2. gun1357

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    I have one of the Mossberg Bantam 20 ga. pumps that I loan to junior shooters. Recoil seems less with Federal target loads for some reason. The best answer I have is to load 3/4 ounce loads at about 1150 fps. Ron
     
  3. GW22

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    Ron: Does your Bantam pump have just the factory pad on it? At the very least I'd put a Kick-eez on it if I went this route, but I'm still concerned that it wouldn't reduce recoil enough. The stock is pretty small so I'm not sure how many of the recoil reduction systems would work on it. Maybe a low-end Graco and a Kick-eez pad? I could install that myself and might stay within budget.

    -Gary
     
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    I put a Kick-Eze on it. The original pad was pretty hard. Ron
     
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    These light guns kick the poop out of a young shooter. Either buy a used gas pipe such as a Remmy 1100, or reload 3/4 oz loads at the aforementioned 1100 or so FPS.
     
  6. GW22

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    Shooting Coach: Again, average sized 4th & 5th grade kids have trouble with Remi autos because the kids need to lean back to counterbalance them. Even if it's not a strength problem, it's still a physics problem (bodyweight insufficient to balance w/o leaning back). What do you think of the Graco + Kick-Eez pad on a Bantam pump?

    -Gary
     
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    I realize you have tried the LT-20 but wonder if you are familiar with the Upland Special models of the 1100 LT-20? Mine is an early one with a 21" barrel but I have a 24" barrel also that I use hunting. If anything they are a bit butt heavy. Just recently put a monte carlo Rem. 74 rifle stock on it and it looks like a shrunken 1100 Trap.
     
  8. yvonne

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    I started out with a Mossberg 9200 youth bantam. Great semi. See if you can find one!
     
  9. GW22

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    No, I haven't seen an Upland Special LT-20 or the 9200 youth bantam. I'll keep my eye out for one, though. Thanks for the info.

    In the mean time, today I looked at a Remington 11-87 Sportsman Synthetic. My son could handle its weight if it had a shorter LOP. Based on the Remington website, I think that's what the Sportsman Synthetic COMPACT offers -- the synthetic stock has spacers beneath the butt pad which can be removed. So this might be the perfect starter trap gun for kids. The problem is the price -- about $650-$700... IF you can find one with the LOP kit.

    But unless I can find one used, I'm not sure there's a better option for my 93 lb. son.

    -Gary

    http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/compact/shotguns/model-11-87/model-11-87-sportsman-compact-synthetic.aspx

    http://www.remington.com/sitecore/content/Remington/products/accessories/gun-parts/adjustable-length-of-pull/adjustable-length-of-pull-system.aspx
     
  10. GW22

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    Thanks but I'm looking for a 20ga.

    -Gary
     
  11. BIG JIM IN BAKERSFIELD

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    Do not use "DOVE LOADS". Use light target loads to get him started and he will do fine. Don't talk about the gun kicking, so he won't fear it. Have him shoot it from the hip if need be to see that it isn't so bad. One shell at a time. JIM
     
  12. GW22

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    So would 4 dram loads in my 10ga goose gun be completely out of the question?

    -Gary
     
  13. yvonne

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    You are missing the boat if you don't grab that 9200 mossberg for $295. I am a woman that shot that as my first gun....I paid $395 used. WHY do you want a 20 ga? A 12 ga will shoot ducks, geese, trap, skeet and sporting clays for a kid and you'll be able to sell it in a minute. There is no recoil....believe me! I shot this gun so well, I wonder why the hell I sold it! This one has 28" barrel! I shot mine with a 24" barrel. If you shoot trap, you're reloading 12 ga anyways.
     
  14. GW22

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    Yvonne -- it's for a little kid for whom the weight of a 12ga is too far forward. Thanks for the input though.

    -Gary
     
  15. Big Dave

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    Mossberg makes a 12 ga Bantam pump, it has a 24" ported barrel w/choke tubes. I put a mercury recoil reducer in the stock and a Kick-Eze pad on it. I load 7/8 oz of #8's over 14 grains of promo. I have a 60 pound 8 year old shooting it, and he says it doesn't kick any harder than his 22.

    Browning also had a BPS micro trap out a few years ago, it was a shot show special. I just sold my last one, two weeks ago, to a young lady. I load 1 oz of #8's over 14.5 grains of promo for her and from the 16 yard line she can smoke the targets with it.

    Both of these shooters say the 12 ga with the light loads have less recoil than the 20 ga. guns they were shooting before.
     
  16. GW22

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    Big Dave: Sounds like you've got a good set-up But the junior league my son wants to join is 20ga only and they shells are supplied by the club as part of the cost.

    -Gary
     
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