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More hypocritical global warming politicians

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Al Gore doesn't hold a monopoly when it comes to being hypocritical and wasteful. More examples of "do as I say, not as I do" politicians. Classic failure to properly lead.<br>
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    Politicians' flights called wasteful<br>
    Schwarzenegger and Feinstein preach energy efficiency but often fly fuel-gulping small jets.<br>
    By Paul Pringle, Times Staff Writer<br>
    February 28, 2007<br>
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    Sen. Dianne Feinstein offers plenty of tips on how California households can combat global warming, such as carpooling and running only a full dishwasher.<br>
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    But one bit of information Feinstein declines to share is the number of times that she flew last year on her husband's Gulfstream jet, which burns much more fuel per passenger-mile than commercial airliners.<br>
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    Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger also has asked constituents to do their part to conserve energy — including cutting summertime power consumption — even though he takes to the skies on leased executive jets.<br>
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    Aides say there is nothing contradictory between the pro-green pronouncements and the flying habits of the Democratic senator and Republican governor.<br>
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    Some environmentalists aren't so sure.<br>
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    "There appears to be a discrepancy between calling on people to make personal reductions and using a private jet that exacerbates the problem," Clean Air Watch President Frank O'Donnell said.<br>
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    Flying on a Gulfstream rather than an airliner is like driving a sport utility vehicle instead of riding a bus, O'Donnell and others say.<br>
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    A single cross-country round trip on a Gulfstream IV, or GIV, the model owned by Feinstein's husband, churns out about 83,000 to 90,000 pounds of carbon dioxide, experts say. By contrast, on a per capita basis, the average American produces 50,000 pounds from all activities in an entire year.<br>
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    Nonetheless, Feinstein and Schwarzenegger intend to continue their noncommercial flying ways because their jobs demand a flexibility the airlines can't match, spokesmen say.<br>
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    Schwarzenegger's office said he and a jet-leasing company are establishing a "carbon offset" program for the governor and fellow customers, retroactive to Jan. 1. Carbon offsets are bought from organizations that plant trees and support renewable energy enterprises, among other measures, to offset greenhouse gases produced by the buyers.<br>
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    "This is big news," Schwarzenegger spokesman Bill Maile said of the governor's undertaking with NetJets, the leasing firm.<br>
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    Feinstein, however, got the jump on Schwarzenegger. She began buying carbon offsets last year to partially cover the travel on the GIV, and will purchase enough offsets this year to compensate for all the trips, spokesman Scott Gerber said.<br>
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    He added that Feinstein took "numerous" commercial flights in 2006, but flew mostly on the GIV. He balked at disclosing the tally of her Gulfstream journeys.<br>
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    "We're not going to get into specifics," he said.<br>
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    Noncommercial aircraft and other carbon-related indulgences have caused politicians considerable turbulence recently.<br>
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    A conservative group has condemned Al Gore for racking up an average monthly electricity bill of $1,200 at his Nashville mansion last year while championing the anti-global warming cause. A Gore spokeswoman said the former vice president invests in renewable energy to offset his electricity use.<br>
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    As part of an ethics push, the House and Senate are toughening restrictions on lawmakers who fly private jets, though exceptions for members and spouses who own planes are under consideration.<br>
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    Earlier this month, Republicans accused House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of requesting a large military jet to fly her and family members between the capital and her San Francisco district.<br>
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    Security protocols grant Pelosi occasional military flights because she is second in line to the presidency. Her office said she had only inquired about an aircraft with enough fuel capacity to make the trip nonstop, and would fly commercial if necessary.<br>
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    Pelosi flew on private jets seven times in 2006, her spokesman said. "She made every effort to travel commercially whenever possible," Drew Hammill said.<br>
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    Sen. Barbara Boxer says she took four trips on private aircraft last year, one with multiple stops over 2 1/2 days.<br>
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    "If you can take a commercial plane to get where you need to go at the time you need to be there, you should do it," she said in an e-mail. "If not, you have to look at alternatives such as trains, fuel-efficient vehicles, buses, and in some cases, private planes."<br>
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    For that last option, Feinstein reimburses her husband, Richard Blum, for use of the jet, Gerber said. Blum bought the GIV for about $23 million in 1999. The reimbursements are based on a first-class commercial fare, with more than 90% of the money coming from Feinstein's personal funds and the rest from campaign coffers, the spokesman said. Last year, the reimbursements to Blum totaled about $73,000, he said.<br>
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    But a GIV's operating expenses are much higher than a first-class booking. A round-trip Los Angeles-Washington flight on the Gulfstream burns about 4,500 to 5,000 gallons of fuel at a cost of roughly $20,000, depending on local pump prices, said Jeff Beck, a veteran corporate pilot. And that doesn't include pilot fees, maintenance and parking bills.<br>
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    "It's the least environmental thing that politicians can do," Beck said. He said Gulfstreams devour so much fossil fuel per passenger that "it's like they're throwing dinosaur bones out of the tailpipe."<br>
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    A coast-to-coast, first-class ticket on a major airline goes for about $1,200 to $2,500, round trip, according to a sampling of three airlines' prices Tuesday.<br>
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    A Boeing 767-200 airliner burns about 1,550 gallons an hour — three times as much as a GIV. But the larger plane typically can seat about 180 passengers, as opposed to a GIV's 12 to 14.<br>
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    Eric Carlson, executive director of Carbonfund.org, a nonprofit that sells offsets, said it would charge $229 to cover the emissions from the GIV round trip.<br>
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    Schwarzenegger flies a variety of leased jets, which cost his campaign $733,000 during the three months ending last September. Maile said the governor digs into his own pockets for some flights.<br>
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    He also said Schwarzenegger has converted one of his Hummers to biodiesel fuel, and plans to install solar panels on his house. His other three Hummers remain gas hogs.<br>
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    For her part, Feinstein drives a hybrid Lexus sport utility vehicle when she is home in San Francisco, Gerber said. But she drives a Lincoln Town Car in Washington.<br>
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    Not that the eco-crowd is eager to criticize Feinstein and Schwarzenegger, who are generally viewed as key supporters of the growing movement to curb emissions.<br>
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    Representatives of some environmental groups either would not comment on the two politicians' penchant for private jets, or suggested that allowances could be made in their circumstances.<br>
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    "Given the exigencies of the campaign trail, if not the demands of governing of a large state, it may not be realistic to expect elective officials to fly commercial all the time," said Jon Coifman, spokesman for the Natural Resources Defense Council.<br>
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    But O'Donnell, of Clean Air Watch, invoked a loftier ideal:<br>
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    "It is fair to hope that our political leaders will lead by example."<br>
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    paul.pringle@latimes.com
     
  2. buzzgun

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    ...speaking of...does anybody believe this crap they put out about "offsetting" their wasteful lifestyle by "investing" in other green initiatives?
     
  3. GunDr

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    Purchasing off-sets? I suppose, if you got the money or can use your campaign funds....screw you if you can't afford it.

    And speaking of campaigning, why didn't the McCain-Fiengold campaign reform, also include, only campaigning in your on district or state. Not shuffling money or themselves from state to state.
     
  4. Rollin Oswald

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    Let's not be too hard on "unnecessary" trips via jet aircraft. Jets do their part to reduce global warming. Their vapor trails reflect sunlight back into space and cumulatively, account for a significant reduction in global warming as do all the other airborne pollutants. It may boil down to a choice, choke or burn.

    Rollin
     
  5. Charles L. Schmidt

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    <i>Ann Coulter’s column today was great, especially is you happen to have watched the Oscars last Sunday. cls</i>

    "Let them eat tofu!

    Posted: February 28, 2007 , 6:08 p.m. Eastern

    By Ann Coulter

    © 2007

    Even right-wingers who know that "global warming" is a crock do not seem to grasp what the tree-huggers are demanding. Liberals want mass starvation and human devastation.

    Forget the lunacy of people claiming to tell us the precise temperature of planet Earth in 1918 based on tree rings. Or the fact that in the '70s liberals were issuing similarly dire warnings about "global cooling."

    Simply consider what noted climatologists Al Gore and Melissa Etheridge are demanding that we do to combat their nutty conjectures about "global warming." They want us to starve the productive sector of fossil fuel and allow the world's factories to grind to a halt. This means an end to material growth and a cataclysmic reduction in wealth.

    There are more reputable scientists defending astrology than defending "global warming," but liberals simply announce that the debate has been resolved in their favor and demand that we shut down all production.

    They think they can live in a world of only Malibu and East Hampton – with no Trentons or Detroits. It does not occur to them that someone has to manufacture the tiles and steel and glass and solar panels that go into those "eco-friendly" mansions, and someone has to truck it all to their beachfront properties, and someone else has to transport all the workers there to build it. (And then someone has to drive the fleets of trucks delivering the pachysandra and bottled water every day.)

    Liberals are already comfortably ensconced in their beachfront estates, which they expect to be unaffected by their negative growth prescriptions for the rest of us.

    There was more energy consumed in the manufacture, construction and maintenance of Leonardo DiCaprio's Malibu home than is needed to light the entire city of Albuquerque, where there are surely several men who can actually act. But he has solar panels to warm his house six degrees on chilly Malibu nights.

    Liberals haven't the foggiest idea how the industrial world works. They act as if America could reduce its vast energy consumption by using fluorescent bulbs and driving hybrid cars rather than SUVs. They have no idea how light miraculously appears when they flick a switch or what allows them to go to the bathroom indoors in winter – luxuries Americans are not likely to abandon because Leo DiCaprio had solar panels trucked into his Malibu estate.

    Our lives depend on fossil fuel. Steel plants, chemical plants, rubber plants, pharmaceutical plants, glass plants, paper plants – those run on energy. There are no Mother Earth nursery designs in stylish organic cotton without gas-belching factories, ships and trucks, and temperature-controlled, well-lighted stores. Windmills can't even produce enough energy to manufacture a windmill.

    Because of the industrialization of agriculture – using massive amounts of fossil fuel – only 2 percent of Americans work in farming. And yet they produce enough food to feed all 300 million Americans, with plenty left over for export. When are liberals going to break the news to their friends in Darfur that they all have to starve to death to save the planet?

    "Global warming" is the left's pagan rage against mankind. If we can't produce industrial waste, then we can't produce. Some of us – not the ones with mansions in Malibu and Nashville is my guess – are going to have to die. To say we need to reduce our energy consumption is like saying we need to reduce our oxygen consumption.

    Liberals have always had a thing about eliminating humans. Stalin wanted to eliminate the kulaks and Ukrainians, vegetarian atheist Adolf Hitler wanted to eliminate the Jews, Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger wanted to eliminate poor blacks, DDT opponent Rachel Carson wanted to eliminate Africans (introduction to her book "Silent Spring" written by ... Al Gore!), and population-control guru Paul Ehrlich wants to eliminate all humans.

    But global warming is the most insane, psychotic idea liberals have ever concocted to kill off "useless eaters." If we have to live in a pure "natural" environment like the Indians, then our entire transcontinental nation can only support about 1 million human beings. Sorry, fellas – 299 million of you are going to have to go.

    Proving that the "global warming" campaign is nothing but hatred of humanity, these are the exact same people who destroyed the nuclear power industry in this country 30 years ago.

    If we accept for purposes of argument their claim that the only way the human race can survive is with clean energy that doesn't emit carbon dioxide, environmentalists waited until they had safely destroyed the nuclear power industry to tell us that. This proves they never intended for us to survive.

    "Global warming" is the liberals' stalking horse for their ultimate fantasy: The whole U.S. will look like Amagansett, with no one living in it except their even-tempered maids (for "diversity"), themselves and their coterie (all, presumably, living in solar-heated mansions, except the maids who will do without electricity altogether). The entire fuel-guzzling, tacky, beer-drinking, NASCAR-watching middle class with their over-large families will simply have to die.

    It seems not to have occurred to the jet set that when California is as poor as Mexico, they might have trouble finding a maid. Without trucking, packaging, manufacturing, shipping and refrigeration in their Bel-Air fantasy world, they'll be chasing the rear end of an animal every time their stomachs growl and killing small animals for pelts to keep their genitals warm."
     
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    Somebody explain how you can get 90,000 lbs oc CO2 from 35,000 lbs of jet fuel.


    CLS, Thanks for posting the Ann C. article. I was just about to post it myself.



    Jim
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    Jim, start here. It's the combination of the carbon in the fuel with oxygen in the air.
     
  8. Brian in Oregon

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    Green power is a farce anyway. It all goes into the same grid and gets mixed. The "green" electricity you purchase is just the same as what everyone else purchases. It appears this is simply an "out" for wealthy liberals who can afford the increased price. Subterfuge.
     
  9. EVN137

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    Jim,

    Jet A fuel are hydrocarbons containing mostly hydrogen and carbon. Hydrogen is very light in weight if you recall the element chart Atomic Number 1. Carbon's atomic number is 12 or 14, I forget. Anyway a jet fuel's compositiion is mostly carbon and hydrogen which makes it a pretty light in terms of its structural or GMW ( gram molecular weight ). When fuel undergoes combustion and under ideal conditions, it combines with oxygen to produce CO2. Hydrogen is given up and oyxgen a heavier element combines with carbon to form CO2. CO2's GMW is 44. Remember each carbon atom in the fuel does this. Each carbon atom usually connects with 2 hydrogen atom with the exception of the end carbon and the parent carbon chain.
    Now you can see how the weight can build up. FYI 44 gms of CO2 will occupy 22.4 liters volume under ideal condition.

    This sounds about right. Anybody out there who remembers chemistry can help me on this.

    Hope this helps.

    Ed.
     
  10. Tripod

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    I love ann Coulter. She may not always be 100% right, but she has BIG BALLS.
     
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    Like Rush or not, he's bound to prove Gore wrong. (shouldn't be hard) He announced on his show that he will have proof that 3 volcano eruptions in between 1870 and 1930 put more carbon in the air than man has since the invention of the car, and prove that the fluctuations of the sun are the cause of our current weather changes. Go Rush. We will see. Hope he's right.
     
  12. Jim101

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    OK Ed and Brian, Thanks for the refresher chemistry lesson.

    Got this from Rush today: It seems that Gore owns the business he is buying his carbon offsets from and they don't deal with anyone else. Talk about a scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!




    Jim
     
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