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Models 12 & 1897 riot guns-which is better?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Bushmaster1313, Nov 1, 2009.

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  1. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    Winchester sold the Model 12 and the Model 1897 at the same time as riot guns for decades.

    Ignoring price, which was and is considered the better tactical weapon?

    Why did Winchester make both? Was the 1897 sold at a lower price?
     
  2. g7777777

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    one advantage of the 1897 is an exposed hammer- you know when it is cock

    Gene
     
  3. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    I like both. With the 97 the action is rougher and the 12 is smoother. Both are take down. Both you can hold the trigger and keep pumping and it will fire each time the bolt locks down. Take your choice.
     
  4. Hoosier Daddy

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    The Model 12 is the superior weapon. The 1897 had too many moving parts to break or malfunction. IMHO
     
  5. tinylo

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    The 12 is certainly simpler and less exposed, but there's something about the feel of a '97 - that bolt flying backwards and the shell lifter flopping out from the bottom, plus the great feel of the unusually thin grip area - it's just irresistable.
     
  6. ExFedex

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    Minor thing but you cannot carry a Model 97 on your shoulder with the action open. You can carry the Model 12 that way. Of course if you are trying to quell a riot that may not be a factor of importance.
     
  7. wolfram

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    The 97' is just plain cool and probably the best thing about the SASS game for me was getting to know this farm-all of a shotgun. For a combat gun the M12 is without question superior in every way. But the 97' worked and people bought them for decades and many went to war or to work at the PD. For those interested in mechanical design, treat yourself to a complete teardown of a 97'. Sometimes the lines between genius and insanity get blurred and this is one example.
     
  8. jdlovejoy4

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    M-12 that way you can do the damage down range, instead of laying you thumb open.
     
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