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Model 12 Quiz

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by capnrico, Aug 2, 2007.

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  1. capnrico

    capnrico TS Member

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    I have a Model 12 that has a manufacture date of 1948. It is also supposed to be a trap model and I have a couple of questions.

    The safety is a lever type that looks like a 90 degree grease zurk. Has anyone heard of that?

    Also it is a 30-inch vented rib model but it does not say Simmons on the barrel.
    Some people claim that it is a Winchester. How do you tell that?

    Thanks.
     
  2. bigbore613

    bigbore613 Active Member

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    Hello, with a date of 1948 there is only one style of vent rib in that year, it will be a two pin milled rib. If you look at the rib posts from the side there will be one post , the one that is directly over the magazine band that is longer than the rest. There will be two small pins through the post. If they are there it is without a doubt a factory rib.If not then not factory. The safety is probably a Herters aftermarket flip down model. Jeff
     
  3. capnrico

    capnrico TS Member

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    Jeff, Thanks for the info.

    From your discription it is a factory rib. The safety has 3 positions, is kinda cute and a pain in the butt to use.

    If I did this right the pic should be attached.

    Thanks a bunch!
     
  4. Hitapair

    Hitapair Active Member

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    original safety's are not hard to come by. Replace the toggle switch w/ an original.
     
  5. capnrico

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    That's the first thing I'm going to do. I hope the mechanism wasn't altered for that part.

    The pic shows it in the middle position and it is a pain to move from the forward postion.

    Thanks.
     
  6. AdamsRibs

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    As to the rib, look for the Factory Proof Mark on the barrel.
    It should be located at the rear end of the Rib, just to one
    side of the rib. If the Proof Mark is covered up by the Rib,
    the Rib is most likely an aftermarket job of some sort. If the
    Proof Mark is visible to the side of the rib, it is probably
    Factory. There are lots of folks out there who have gotten
    very good at hiding these things, but there should be only
    one Proof Mark.

    AdamsRibs
     
  7. bigbore613

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    Proof marks are only an indicator if they are not there. There are many people with original stamps and can stamp them so you cannot tell. There is no faking a two pin milled rib period. Beware of proof marks. Jeff
     
  8. capnrico

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    Jeff was right on with the barrel.

    The toggle on the safety sucks! But I can tell mine in the rack. I'll play with it for a while.

    Thanks!
     
  9. Big Az Al

    Big Az Al Well-Known Member

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    If it is three postition

    Isn't it a

    SAFE

    FIRE

    and the hardest position

    Always fire?

    Al
     
  10. 5CENTS

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    Capnrico:
    I have sold this type of safety at a gun shop that I use to work at. It was for a shooter that was left handed. To take the safety off all you had to do was bump it forward. SRK
     
  11. capnrico

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    SRK,

    It bumps forward easy enough but when you crank it back, from the most forward position, that's when it becomes a pain.

    My habit with my XTR changes my thought process too. I'll probably leave it for decoration for now anyways.
     
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