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Model 12 mishap!!!

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by onlym12's, Apr 27, 2008.

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  1. onlym12's

    onlym12's TS Member

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    GMAG,

    What type of shell's were you shooting? Today I was shooting a couple of my 3" duck gun's at trap, had 3 or 4 shell's per box not go off, when rechambered and tried a second time, they all went off. They were the federal cheapo's that come in the 4 box pack's from Wally World. I shot a few boxes of STS's through the same gun's, never missing a beat. Also had a hard time extracting some of the Federal's, And no problem what so ever with the other's. These shell's didn't hang fire like you describe, they all went off(the second time). Just thought I'd let you know how my day went(FRUSTRATING). I wouldn't shoot these shell's again if they were given to me, I'd just strip them for all the interenal's. I've heard of other people having the same complaint's, but today I guess it was my turn, I'm a pretty quick learner, never buy them again.

    Thanks, Mike
     
  2. onlym12's

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    GMAG,

    What type of shell's were you shooting? Today I was shooting a couple of my 3" duck gun's at trap, had 3 or 4 shell's per box not go off, when rechambered and tried a second time, they all went off. They were the federal cheapo's that come in the 4 box pack's from Wally World. I shot a few boxes of STS's through the same gun's, never missing a beat. Also had a hard time extracting some of the Federal's, And no problem what so ever with the other's. These shell's didn't hang fire like you describe, they all went off(the second time). Just thought I'd let you know how my day went(FRUSTRATING). I wouldn't shoot these shell's again if they were given to me, I'd just strip them for all the interenal's. I've heard of other people having the same complaint's, but today I guess it was my turn, I'm a pretty quick learner, never buy them again.

    Thanks, Mike
     
  3. JBrooks

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    Hey Mike, if you have any left, send them to me. I probably shot 25,000+ of them without a misfire.
     
  4. kirbythegunsmith

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    Gary, the misfire in that Model-12 is probably from a mis-fitting action slide lock and/or condition with the action slide.

    The gun should not be used in that condition. A proper refit of the parts can make it a safe mechanism again. I am a Model-12 specialist and rework these bad parts and assemblies all of the time.

    If the gun is just slightly less than closed, the slide lock should be holding the hammer away from the trigger sear edge and not cause any sound if you pull the trigger at that time. If you held the trigger and pushed the slide forward, the hook would release the hammer when the slide lock end was no longer restrained below the action slide bar.

    If there is excess hook clearance, pulling the trigger would make a minor "click", and even releasing the trigger before subsequent completion of the action slide stroke would not avoid a dropping of the hammer when the slide released the slide lock. (The way to avoid the firing of a shell after that dreaded "click" would be to re-stroke the slide and re-cock the hammer before fully closing the action) This all presumes that other parts were not also in a non-proper functional condition.

    By the way, chamber problems of M-12's can cause extraction difficulties with some shells, and there are certain situations that reduce positive firing. Many shooters post about the difficulty with hard Remington primers, but you get blessed with Federals. Go figure. The primers may not be the only problem with your gun, Mike.

    Kirby
     
  5. over the hill

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    Kirby has some good advise. A model 12 can be dangerous.

    Years ago at the Grand, I remember an older man walking around checking Mod.
    12s. He approached me one time. Had that checked lately, he said? No I said ,buts its OK. How do you know was his reply. I handed him the gun and he produced what looked like a snap cap from his pocket, put it in , closed the gun and tried to pull the trigger. Its OK he said. I thanked him and went on.

    I presume it was a headspace or go no go gauge of some kind.

    Some shooters might have been intimidated by him but I was thankful.

    Never did find out whether he was a gunsmith or just a concerned person.

    Regards...Gerald
     
  6. mizzou

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    GMAG: Had the same thing happen to me when I was shooting my Model 12..Turned out to be a broken firing pin..Call Stu Wright (618) 357-8933 Mizzou
     
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