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Mitts Plan

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by tomc66, Oct 4, 2012.

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  1. tomc66

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    Last night Mitt promised to cut taxes,increase spending on the military and balance the budget. You cannot cut taxes, increase spending and balance the budget. It is just not possible.

    Before you ultra right wingers call me a commie, please be advised that I have been a life time Republican and I plan on voting Republican in November.

    Mitt is a lame candidate who will result in us having to put up with Obama for four more years.

    The Republican party needs to develope some good, strong leaders for the future and I do not see this happening. The problem is that the Republican party is being held captive by the ultra right conservatives. This brand of conservatism will not sell to the majority of Americans. The young, the poor, and the minorities will not buy it.

    The Republican can still be conservative but needs to move closer to the center if they expect to win in the future.
     
  2. wireguy

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    No tomc66, the problem is the people. You can't have a free people who are also a brainwashed, amoral, over-entertained, dependent people. The "ultra-right" conservatives are actually the people who still believe in freedom, and that charity is taken care of close to home by individuals and churches, not the government. America's failure is a failure of the people to rise above the level of Hollywood, pop culture and sports. I too am a life long republican and I can't see where the republican party has been taken over by right wing extremists. Rather it has pandered to the stupid and dependent, just like the democrats, instead of rallying people to be free and independent. Your statement "This brand of conservatism will not sell to the majority of Americans" is a declaration of a failure of the people - not that they didn't get plenty of help getting to where we are today. Never the less the PEOPLE are the problem.
     
  3. halfmile

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    There is so much waste, fraud, and aguse in the entitlement programs that if it were eliminated there would almost be enough to balance the budget.

    In addition reforming the Income tax code would create another income stream from all the dodges built in for certain people to evade paying.

    And, if you want to see a budget surplus and reduction of the debt, get the bloated bureaucracy that rules us down to the size it should be to be of benefit to its citizens instead of a bloodsucking albatross around our neck.

    Mash the link for more info.

    HM
     
  4. oz

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    the democrats are using the pig hunting scenario. ie: first you throw out free stuff. one pig comes and eats. you throw put more free stuff. the pig tells his buddies and more pigs come. you put up a fence and throw out more free stuff. lots more pigs come and eat. when all the pigs come to eat, you close the fence.
     
  5. Setterman

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    That list is sickening. And we wonder why we can't balance a budget.
     
  6. oz

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    tonc66 you looked but you did not see. you listened but you did not hear.. Mitt Romney explained this last night and many times previously. It is on his website mittromney.com When you cut taxes, small businesses can afford to hire more people the more people will pay more taxes. the USA will become prosperous again. We will be able to buy stuff made in the USA rather than china. If you noticed we payed a price for stuff made in the USA. Now that everything we buy is made in china it still costs the same as before. someone just makes more money. WHO?
     
  7. Stl Flyn

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    tomc66,

    The problem is always somebody else. The other people. It can't be the fact that Romney is a proven looser. If he could not beat McCain in a primary, whom eventually lost the presidential bid, why is it the Republicans could not come up with a candidate that should have been an easy blow out win this election? Doesn't it make you wonder who is really to blame?

    Prime example, calling every single voter (47%) that does not vote the way you do an idiot, dependent on government, stupid, brainwashed, etc. It does not give the Republican party credibility, it does exactly the opposite. Especially, to those voters that make the difference in an election, Independent voters. Maybe it is the arrogance of the "ultra-right" that these voters see. Maybe it is the swings of Romney's views, and policies that people see, making them not trust him. He has changed his views on so many subjects, just to get votes. Will he stick to those views, after he is elected, or go back to his views, and ideas of the past?
     
  8. John Galt

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    Nothing could be finer than libtard whining in the morning.
     
  9. Setterman

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    And Obama has never changed his mind? Gitmo, for one comes to light.

    Face it, the extreme liberals of the democratic party pushed national health care when they should have been trying to fix the economy. When the economy can afford national health care, if ever, then you debate it. You don't implement something you can't afford when 1/3 of the population is out of work.

    There is so much waste in Government, and so few people actually paying in, it will never survive on it's current course. Does the "Fiscal Cliff" mean anything to those same extreme liberals? Aren't Greece, Spain, and Europe in general sending a gloomy message right now.

    This is serious, and our President, and Congress aren't addressing it. 5 years with a Democratic Senate, and no budgets passed.
     
  10. Johnny

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    tomc66 , You are right, it is impossible. That is the same thing Reagan promised and every republican president since. Reagan tripled the deficit and W doubled it again. It doesn't work and Mitt wants to go back to the same failed policies of the past.
     
  11. Stl Flyn

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    I agree that the first two years of total control were wasted. The President really had his hands tied because of the economy, on what he could do to change the things he wanted to do. Way to much time, and money, had to be spent on keeping this country from slipping into a depression, and total financial collapse. So, they took advantage of the control to pass a bill that was a campaign promise. To say that there was no focus on the economy is kind of out there.

    The President, Congress, and the Senate have addressed these issues. The problem is their in no bi-partisan effort. No compromise! The President can't get anything done, without a bi-partisan, cooperating split, of the Congress and Senate. The bills just keep getting passed in one branch, and sent across to the other where it is changed completely for the other parties benefit, passed there, then sent back for the approval of the changes, where it gets set aside for another day. Then the President gets blamed for not being a leader. Politics in this country are becoming third world, although I think we are years away from killing each other over it. Right now it is hopefully just the "Wacko's" that are doing the shooting. LOL
     
  12. Johnny

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    Rick, The military budget, SS and Medicare are the three biggest expenses. Nothing else even comes close. Seriously doubt anyone will cut SS and med. The idea of cutting taxes, increasing the military budget while balancing the budget is simply not possible. The only way out it to increase taxes and cut the military. Since the Republican party is the face of the military industrial complex, it won't happen with them in charge. Since military spending is a huge part of the budget, cutting that causes lots of problems. There are no easy choices.

    Cutting welfare is another problem. Welfare is cheaper than prisons, and more prisons is what we will have if we cut welfare.
     
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    It is correct that there is no bi-partisan cooperation, Obama sees to that. A good example is Obamacare, passed by a Democratic Congress, behind closed doors, with no opportunity for imput from the Republicans. (Obama care question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdnY8r7_fLw) Now Harry Reid bottles up everything that comes from the House of Representatives, refusing to bring it to the floor for a vote.

    The only things I can think of that were truly bi-partisan were Senate votes on President Obama's budgets for 2012 and 2013. The 2012 budget was voted down 97-0 and the 2013 budget was voted down 99-0. Bi-partisanship in action because the budgets were so radical not even one Democrat could support them.
     
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    Balancing the budget? What budget? They couldn't or wouldn't even try when the Congress was heavily Democratic. Hell...the only proposed budgets where advanced by the House. Reid would not even bring them to discussion in the Senate.

    Bernie
     
  15. larryjk

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    bgf, Thank God there is some one who has been watching the budget problem. There has not been a budget acted upon by the senate since Harry Reid took over the reins for Mr. Obama. I am glad there are two of us who know what is supposed to happen. The US Senate has not taken action on its primary function in the last 4 years. Obama does not want a budget bec ause then his spending cn be tracked. I wonder what the bill for Air Force One is for the last year.
     
  16. tomc66

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    All types of welfare accounts for 12% of the Federal spending in 2012. Elimnating all types of Walfare and we will still have a trillion dollar deficit. Cutting back on Obama's travel on Air One is symbolic but will have no real effect on the deficit.
    The largest portion of the spending is Medicare and Social Security at 44%. Can you cut these? I don't think so.
    Increasing the defense budget will only make matters worse.
    To balance the budget will require huge cuts in all areas plus additional revenue. No one can agree on the cuts and a tax increase is unlikely in a recession. We are heading down a very, very dangerous road.
     
  17. Johnny

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    tomc66 : the military budget is about 20%. So SS, medicare and the military is about 64%. Nothing else is even close. A tax increase in inevitable.

    flincher100 , We need at least 3 more aircraft carrier groups and another new super-duper jet fighter. And ,of course, another new bomber.
     
  18. tomc66

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    Johnny, I Googled Federal Spending and it shows Defense Spending at 24%.
     
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    Pensions and health are Social Security and Medicare, which amounts to 44% of all spending. Education is only 4% of spending. Defense is 24%. Defense, Social Security, Medicare and intertest amount to 74% of all spending.
     
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    I knew it. You folks didnt mash the link and learn, did you?

    I know how much fun it is to bloviate but let's try to learn a little, also.

    Try it again. And READ the numbers for each department. BTW, the deparment of education was created by Carter, and education has been going downhill ever since. Our students graduating in some case read at a 3rd grade level or worse.

    HM
     
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