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Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by rpeerless, Jul 26, 2013.

  1. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    http://www.exposeobama.com/2013/07/26/obama-assigns-job-of-gun-confiscation-to/


    “Ideally,handguns,which account for more than half of all homicides in the United States,should be banned completely,but we recognize that this is not currently politically feasible,” wrote Dr. Karl P. Adler in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA).

    From the above link but what's wrong with this picture?


    Cause of death (based on the International Classification of Diseases,

    Death Percent Rank1 Tenth Revision, Second Edition, 2004) Number rate 2009 2008 change . . .


    All causes .................... ................... 2,436,652

    1. Diseases of heart ...................... 598,607

    2.Malignant neoplasms ...........................568,668


    3. Chronic lower respiratory diseases .................... 137,082


    4 Cerebrovascular diseases .......................... 128,603


    5. Accidents (unintentional injuries) .............. 117,176


    6. Alzheimer’s disease...............................78,889


    7. Diabetes mellitus .............................. 68,504


    8. Influenza and pneumonia ......................... 53,582


    9. Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome and nephrosis 48,714


    10. Intentional self-harm (suicide) ............... 36,547


    11. Septicemia .................................. 35,587


    12. Chronic liver disease and cirrhosis .................30,444


    13. Essential hypertension and hypertensive renal disease ....... 25,651


    14. Parkinson’s disease............................ 20,552


    15. Assault (homicide)..................16,591


    All other causes ...............................(residual)471,455




    From 'FBI Murder Stats' thread: "FBI murder stats from 2011

    Total Murders (homicides): 12,300

    Total Firearm Murders (homicides): 8,407

    Rifle(Assault Weapons): 310

    Shotguns: 348 (Think about it!!! who will be banned next?)

    Knives: 1,650 (Are we checking ownership of the wrong weapons?)"


    Comment:

    Other weapons objects:

    Personal weapons Hands and feet:
    Fill in the blanks.





    Point is handguns do not account for half of all homicides from the figures I've seen, perhaps total homicide by gun accounts for half. Where are the statistics?

    And the FBI statistics include LEO justified homicides in police and other actions.

    And this professor gave this information to the AMA.
     
  2. timberfaller

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    Politicians/Liberals never address the "problem" they find a "scapegoat" and run with it!
     
  3. RobertT

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    I believe deaths by handgun include suicide by firearm. Since it is an AMA publication they conveniently left out deaths related to malpractice, that must be encompassed in (Residual).

    Robert
     
  4. rpeerless

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    Suicide is on a different table and justified homicides by police and civilians are on separate tables.

    What I don't get is that over two million four hundred thousand Americans a year are dying and they focus on a small portion of twelve thousand, around 8407 deaths by guns including police actions to spend billions on trying to stop those deaths???????????????????????

    And what if a major portion of the 2,400,000 deaths were due to environmental factors, air, food, water, etc? The majority of funds by which I mean tax dollars, seem to be spent on 8,407 gun deaths.


    Even suicides have 36,000 and most are drug related. And yeah, how about malpractice and Dr. errors. That must be in the 471,000 'other' deaths.
     
  5. rpeerless

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    The total of all assaults (not deaths) is as follows from FBI stats (table 15) for 2009 in keeping with the stats above:

    Firearm 146,650

    Knife 131,393

    Other 234,966

    Hands/fists 189,462

    Conclusion: of 702,471 assaults, firearms were used in 146,650.(believe includes police, law enforcement use of firearms). That would be .208 or 20% of assaults were with firearms.


    80% of assaults were with Other Than Firearms.
     
  6. rpeerless

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    What is being spent on preventing 8407 gun deaths (including LEO actions and citizen justified homicides) out of 2,400,000 annual US deaths:







    From ABC NEWs Report: "Here's where the $4.45 billion will go:

    --- $4 billion "to help communities keep 15,000 cops on the street."

    --- $150 million for "school districts and law enforcement agencies to hire 1,000 additional school resource officers, school psychologists, social workers, and counselors" to enhance school safety.

    --- $50 million to train over 5,000 mental health professionals who work with youth.

    --- $50 million to help 8,000 more schools train staff implement plans to create "more nurturing school climates."

    --- $40 million to help school districts cooperate with outside organizations on mental health referrals.

    --- $30 million in one-time grants to states to help their school districts develop and implement emergency management plans."

    --- $25 million to develop "innovative state-based strategies supporting young people ages 16 to 25 with mental health or substance abuse issues."

    --- $25 million to "offer students mental health services for trauma or anxiety, conflict resolution programs, and other school-based violence prevention strategies."

    --- $20 million for the Justice Department to incentivize states this year to share more information in the federal background check system for firearms purchases. That amount will increase to $50 million next year if Congress authorizes it.

    --- $20 million to expand the National Violent Death Reporting System, which collects anonymous data on firearms used in homicides or suicides, to all states.

    --- $15 million to train teachers and others who work with kids to recognize and respond to signs of mental illness.

    --- $14 million to train 14,000 police officers, first responders, and school officials to respond to "active shooter situations."

    --- $10 million for the Centers for Disease Control to conduct scientific research on the causes of gun violence."
     
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    And add to that the annual cost of pursuing gun control,

    "Do federal regulations cost taxpayers more than they are worth? ... Regulations worth the costs, says OMB report ... Books on Gun Control ... $135 billion to $218 billion annually, while costing taxpayers between $38 billion and $44 billion." USgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aacost-benefit.htm

    That's just a fraction of what is spent annually on gun control which shows there is big profit in confusion.

    All of this to prevent 8,407 homicides per year including LEO and police action.

    Where are the bean counters who can properly account for this?


    This is taxpayer monies that could be spent in other areas to assist citizens in other ways or how about just lowering taxes?
     
  8. rpeerless

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    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/9407342/ns/health-health_care/t/billion-year-spent-medical-research/


    And this report, for all medical research 95 billion annually. That money is to prevent or cure the remaining 2 million, four hundred thousand something deaths annually in the USA. (2,428,245 to be exact, less the gun deaths)
    And this report questions the expenditure of the 95 billion on diseases.

    Do the math. Talk about out of control government. What's wrong with this picture?
     
  9. rpeerless

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    And what's with,


    " $20 million to expand the National Violent Death Reporting System, which collects anonymous data on firearms used in homicides or suicides, to all states."

    Why is there a need for this? What's wrong with the FBI statistics?

    With only 8407 gun deaths per year and 146,650 gun assaults in a population of 300,000,000 nationally, why not leave crime fighting, statistics and crime prevention advice to the approx. 360,000 LEO professionals.

    That would be about two gun incidents per year per professional and includes their justified actions with firearms as well.
     
  10. rpeerless

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    From the article link above:

    "In short,as “firearm violence” becomes an issue for the healthcare community,guns become elements of disease,deadly pathogens that place the public at risk. And being a disease-causing agent,the gun’s effects must be controlled by the medical bureaucracy with a clear objective of stamping out the source itself.

    Making gun rights a question of public health is a master stroke for those who cannot win a 2nd Amendment argument. For when removed from the constitutional domain,the question of gun ownership is reduced to a simple if thoroughly dishonest matter of the public good. And assigned by the Obama Regime to look into this particular “threat” to the American people will be anti-gun alarmists like Dr. Adler who maintains that,“firearm violence has reached epidemic proportions in this country and is now a public health emergency…” Nothing like a hoplophobic approach to the topic from a medical community charged with its honest investigation."

    Comment:
    Seriously? Hey medical community what about researching the 2,428,245 deaths and leaving the 8407 gun homicides to the LEOs.

    But then how would the left continue to greatly fund the brainwashing of the American republic?


    "$150 million for "school districts and law enforcement agencies to hire 1,000 additional school resource officers, school psychologists, social workers, and counselors" to enhance school safety"
     
  11. rpeerless

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    Gun control and gun legislation seeks to prevent around 8407 gun homicide deaths nationwide annually some of which are justified by LEO's.

    The billions possibly trillions of tax dollars being spent on gun legislation and gun control does not warrant that kind of taxpayers money based on the fact that there are 2,400,000 American deaths of all ages by other causes annually (CDC Statistics) that might warrant more research, investigation and more money to better benefit the majority of citizens quality of life and their families lives.

    The tax dollars spent on 'guns' would better serve the public if the dollars were spent on more in depth inspection of the food supply, more extensive testing of air and water supplies, more extensive testing of the quality of household chemicals and investigation of communicable diseases etc.
     
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    http://news.muckety.com/2013/03/25/big-money-and-big-guns/41801
     
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    http://patriotoutdoornews.com/7250/the-money-behind-the-drive-for-gun-safety


    See how big it really is...
     
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    http://www.westernjournalism.com/heres-some-devastating-news-for-gun-grabbers/

    Check out these facts.
     
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    How many patients are killed by their doctors?
     
  16. rpeerless

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    Too many. There are 471,455 "other causes - residual" of death. What is under that category?

    Does anyone throw any money to probe that category? No, look at the network for gun violence homicide for 8,407 cases. Link up a couple of threads, 'money behind the gun drive for safety.' (shows the network)

    80% of assaults are without guns.

    http://news.muckety.com/2013/08/13/the-money-behind-the-drive-for-gun-safety/43821



    That alone should send up the red flag, bells and whistles and maybe even an air raid siren or two.

    Millions if not billions are being spent on gun legislation with one small lobby spending 800,000 dollars.

    Not to mention untold taxpayer dollars. 4.45 Billion according to the previously listed article.