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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by B682GX, Oct 26, 2009.

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  1. B682GX

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    This junior military troop really laid it out to this female
    > Congressional Budget Office person. Cindy Williams is NOT the "Laverne &
    > Shirley" Cindy Williams. She is an Assistant Director for national Security
    > in the Congressional Budget Office. This is an Airman's response to Cindy
    > Williams' editorial piece in the Washington Times about MILITARY PAY; it
    > should be printed in all newspapers across America. Ms. Cindy Williams
    > wrote a piece for the Washington Times, denouncing the pay raise(s) coming
    > service members' way this year citing that she stated 13% wage increase was
    > more than they deserve. A young airman from Hill AFB responds to her
    > article below. He ought to get a bonus for this. His letter to Ms.
    > Williams follows:
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    > Ms Williams:
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    > I just had the pleasure of reading your column, "Our GI's earn
    > enough", and I am a bit confused. Frankly, I'm wondering where this vaunted
    > overpayment is going, because as far as I can tell, it disappears every
    > month between DFAS (The Defense Finance and Accounting Service) and my bank
    > account. Checking my latest earnings statement I see that I make $1,117.80
    > before taxes per month. After taxes, I take home $874.20. When I run that
    > through the calculator, I come up with an annual salary of $13,413.60 before
    > taxes, and $10,490.40, after. I work in the Air Force Network Control
    > Center where I am part of the team responsible for a 5,000 host computer
    > network. I am involved with infrastructure segments, specifically with
    > Cisco Systems equipment. A quick check under jobs for Network Technicians
    > in the Washington D.C. area reveals a position in my career field requires
    > three years experience with my job. Amazingly, this job does NOT pay
    > $13,413.60 a year. No, this job is being offered at $70,000 to $80,000 per
    > annum. I'm sure you can draw the obvious conclusions.
    >
    >
    >
    > Given the tenor of your column, I would assume that you NEVER had
    > the pleasure of serving your country in her armed forces. Before you take
    > it upon yourself to once more castigate congressional and DOD leadership for
    > attempting to get the families the military's lowest pay brackets off of WIC
    > and food stamps, I suggest that you join a group of deploying soldiers
    > headed for Afghanistan; I leave the choice of service branch up to you.
    > Whatever choice you make, though, opt for the SIX month rotation: it will
    > guarantee you the longest possible time away from your family and friends,
    > thus giving you full "deployment experience."
    >
    > As your group prepares to board the plane, make sure to note the
    > spouses and children who are saying good-bye to their loved ones. Also take
    > care to note that several families are still unsure of how they'll be able
    > to make ends meet while the primary breadwinner is gone obviously they've
    > been squandering the "vast" piles of cash the government has been giving
    > them.
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    >
    >
    > Try to deploy over a major holiday; Christmas and Thanksgiving are
    > perennial favorites. And when you're actually over there, sitting in a
    > foxhole, shivering against the cold desert night; and the flight sergeant
    > tells you that there aren't enough people on shift to relieve you for chow,
    > remember this: trade whatever MRE (meal-ready- to-eat) you manage to get for
    > the tuna noodle casserole or cheese tortellini, and add Tabasco to
    > everything. This gives some flavor.
    >
    >
    >
    > Talk to your loved ones as often as you are permitted; it won't
    > nearly be long enough or often enough, but take what you can get and be
    > thankful for it. You may have picked up on the fact that I disagree with
    > most of the points you present in your opened piece.
    >
    >
    >
    > But, tomorrow from Kabul, I will defend to the death your right to
    > say it. You see, I am an American fighting man, a guarantor of your First
    > Amendment rights and every other right you cherish. On a daily basis, my
    > brother and sister soldiers worldwide ensure that you and people like you
    > can thumb your collective nose at us, all on a salary that is nothing short
    > of pitiful and under conditions that would make most people cringe. We
    > hemorrhage our best and brightest into the private sector because we can't
    > offer the stability and pay of civilian companies.
    >
    >
    >
    > And you, Ms. Williams, have the gall to say that we make more than
    > we deserve? You can kiss my royal red a**!!!
    >
    >
    >
    > A1C Michael Bragg
    >
    > Hill AFB AFNCC
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  2. grunt

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    Good thread but hard to read..
     
  3. recurvyarcher

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    This piece was in the Washington Post, not the Times. The Times is really conservative. Written in 2000.
     
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    I hadn't realized Trappy enlisted. I thought he would gamble on the draft.
     
  5. gdbabin

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    The military raise effective 01Jan10 is 3.8%.



    I can't read the origional post it makes my eyes hurt. Can you say white space???



    Guy Babin
     
  6. Charles.F.Phillips

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    http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/gipay.asp

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie

    "The Dude Abides..."
     
  7. gdbabin

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    Thanks Charlie.



    Anyone who stipulates that the military is overpaid is a moron and has no clue. In my experience between 1977 and 2000, there were some tough times financially, especially early on. Finances are a real problem for junior service members who are married with children.



    As I gained seniority and advanced through the pay grades, the money was adequate for the most part. Not enough to build a large nest egg, but enough to pay bills and live comfortably when combined with the other benefits we received.



    I think yearly adjustments that parallel the performance of the economy is fair as long as there is some semblance of parity. 3.4% outpaces what most private workers will get this year a bit.



    The gap between civilian and military compensation for a given profession in 1999 was appx. 13.5% (military lagging). For the last 11yrs congress has given the military an extra .5% to reduce the delta. In Jan the gap will be down to appx. 2%.



    It looks like military pay and DOD civilian pay raises will be de-coupled going forward. It's likely military cost of living adjustments will be thin for the next five or so years while the economy is sluggish.



    For context for those who don't know:



    As of 01JAN10 an E1 with less than 2 yrs gets 1,447.20 base pay per month. An E9 with 26 years seniority gets 6,129.90 a month.


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  8. Charles.F.Phillips

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    And to think, in 1975 I made $305/month! :)

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie

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  9. Old Cowboy

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    In 1966 as I recall E-1 pay was $72 a month. A year later I was a crewchief on a Huey in VietNam earning just over $300 a month including, E-4, combat pay and flight pay. Not real attractive wages........OTOH, they didn't have to "attract" us, all they had to do was Draft us. What's a young single guy gonna' do with money anyway? We're in a war zone flying 10 - 15 hours a day, had a tent over our heads and a cot to sleep on, C rations for lunch and with any luck a warmed over supper when we got in. Cigarettes were free and beer was 20 cents a can. When I was wounded in 1968 I had over $600 cash (MPC) stuffed in my pockets and nuthin' to spend it on.

    John C. Saubak
     
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    1958, E-2 pay was $99.00 per month. Tom E.

    Before taxes
     
  11. shadow

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    Might want to check your figures TjayE. My pay as an E-1 in 1958 was $68 a month. E-2 paid a whopping $72. I believe that E-3 paid $81 and when I made corporal I got the big raise to $134. All before taxes of course.

    When I returned from "vacation in S.E.Asia" the second time I had the distinction of having paper bags of feces hurled at me along with the enjoyment of listening to the throng of liberals singing their praises for us "baby killers".
     
  12. Charles.F.Phillips

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    shadow,

    I'm glad to see you made it through your all-expenses-paid vacation. Thank you for your service. That goes for all of you who have had to dodge bullets for the rest of us!

    R/s,<br />
    Charlie

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  13. grunt

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    And they payed us with 2.dollar bills Remember those days.
     
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    I can remember making out an allotment to my wife when I left for Viet Nam in 1969 as a Lance Corporal. Until my combat pay kicked in I got $14 every 2 weeks.
    Yeah we got paid way too much what with all that free food, clothes and medical attention. In fact some of my buddies were just dying for all the freebees (PUN intended)

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    The difference is...they did not have a choice....today they do. I will never say a soldier is overpaid, but I never considered my service to be a gold mine either. I served because I wanted to, not to get rich.

    I even remember the largely publicized pay raise in 69 when E-1 pay went from 98.00 to 103.00....that was 2 extra cartons of smokes a month.
     
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    I don't remember what I got paid, but after a 74 day patrol under water I was in deep cotton when we hit land.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
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    635 G. were your subs the nukes. I've had two personal friends who were in them that have passed on, 1 in a car wreck and the other was cancer,.... the one that died from cancer was involved with the cable the Russkies had ran to their sub island. There was a documentary released that told how they were tapping this cable for many, many, months and never got caught,....My friend died about 2wks prior to the release of it.
     
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    I rode both diesels & nukes. My sign on name is for USS Sam Rayburn SSBN-635 (GOLD), which was my favorite boat.

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  19. Charles.F.Phillips

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    Herb,

    <i>"But in the new Health package, retired military will be paying $530 off the top, after taxes, to qualify for health care. (Premium), then an additional $2300 as co-payment for care provided."</i>

    Where did you get that info? I just went to the TriCare Prime page and it still lists $460/yr and $12 copays.

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  20. Charles.F.Phillips

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    Herb,

    Yes, please get her to post. I just went to the TriCare for Life page and it mentions no changes. I have read H.R. 3200 and there was nothing in that bill, but there may have been changes recently that I'm not aware of. Thanks!


    R/s,<br />
    Charlie
     
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