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Mike Rowe testifies before US Senate

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by twoatlow8, Jan 16, 2012.

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  1. twoatlow8

    twoatlow8 Member

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    Amen brother! This is so true!



    http://www.youtube.com/?watch?v=cC0JPs-rcF0&feature=pla?yer_embedded
     
  2. tj303

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    Well said!
     
  3. build4u

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    So true! The vocational classes in Michigan are all but gone. I build custom homes and have been saying for months we are going to have a shortage of good carpenters when building really picks up here.
     
  4. Bisi

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    Very well said. One of my biggest regrets is not taking shop classes in high school, maybe I could of found out something I was good at and liked.

    I graduated in 1973 and I was pushed through the college prep course and wasn't allowed to take shop. It was for my own good they said.

    20 years after I left high school I took a class in programable controllers at a local community college. While there I signed up for a metal shop class just for the heck of it. Dam I found something I was good at and enjoyed. To take a peice of metal and a grinder and then make a "bit" to use on a lathe or mill and turn out something. I found something I was good at, but at close to 40 at the time I thought it was too late to persue.

    I think everybody needs to be exposed to the trades and technology, it has got to be a lot more interesting than sitting in an office cubicle.

    Not all of us can be chiefs, some got be Indians.
     
  5. Gunn

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    Bisi: I went back to college at the age of 45, No regrets. It was different, being the "Old Man" on campus. I worked in the field of choice for 10 years. Then at the age of 56 started my own business, never looked back. Tim
     
  6. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Sent my son to college for the basics and now he is working as an apprentice at a skilled job.
     
  7. SirMissalott

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    Hope it will catch on!!
     
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    Saw a video on foreign companies building bridges and other structures in CA. The CA state officers said they had to hire Chinese because there were not enough welders and metal workers in the US. Maybe BS but I think partly true. Many high schools in the country are dropping shop classes because of the costs to run the programs and due to lower attendance in these classes. The lower attendance is due to administrators and counselors pointing students to college rather to the trades.
     
  9. grntitan

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    Testifying in front of the Senate, is a real "Dirty Job".
     
  10. wireguy

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    You know why skilled labor has disappeared from America? Because there's no money in creating skilled workers. Like everything else in America, education has become a money making enterprise, a literal industry. There are hundreds of billions of dollars changing hands in the education industry every year. A four year degree now costs tens of thousands of dollars, and four years is just a start. The government will loan the full cost of an education to the student. Who ends up with all that money? The people inside the education industry. Since the purpose of the education industry is to profit, not educate, what you end up with is a nation full of educated idiots who are deep in debt for their educations which have taught them nothing useful, and a lack of skilled workers who are still looked down at by stupid and helpless "educated" folk. Education has become the god of our culture.
     
  11. Leo

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    As is probably pretty common, my high school administration was pretty much sports focused. The school board was ex coaches,and cheerleaders, who hired principals who developed sports programs. We had a brand new sports complex the day I started welding shop reading books. We had to read because the school didn't budget for welding rods. Luckily some kids dad was a foreman in the mills a got a couple cases of 5/32" #6013 rods so we could have hands on training using OLD arc welders. Electronics shop had one old ocilloscope that was older than me. It didn't even work, but I approached a man at the Radio/TV dealer and he volunteered to fix it for free. I was building solid state technology electronic kits at home, and the school system could only train us with what was left of 1958 vacuum tube technolgy. (at least I got to swim in the swim teams new pool) Can anybody still spell Superhetrodyne? I graduated in 1975-76.
    One thing I noticed at that time, all the kids that were mentally slow and poor students were pushed into shop classes, and if you could use three brain cells at a time, the counselors (who also were coaches) would push you into college prep. In Germany, Japan, and probably anywhere else that is kicking our butts, the training and cerifications required for an auto mechanic, Boiler repairman, machnist, welder etc., are elevated to the level that you have to perform at least well above average.
    We are suffering from 30 years of people who have no concept of anything but socialism and the world of acedemia steering competent people out of the technical trades. This country is despirately in need of these very vocations that not only built this country, and are essential to our longevity.
     
  12. timberfaller

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    The only "skills" public education is concerned about is "computer" skills!

    That is so they can get "grants" from MicroSoft and Apple!

    You have to have computer skills to come up with a new game for XBOX or GameBoy!!

    Why should you educate someone to build something or grow food or keep the power flowing!!!

    Besides, China will build it for us, Safeway will always sell food and green jobs will give us all the energy we will ever need!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. BigBadBob

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    I'll go ahead and open the can of "kick-ass" that i know I will get for mentioning the trade unions, but I will anyway.

    Unions have come under the microscope lately and with just cause due to some of the stupid crap they have pulled. Aside from that they do still turn out "skilled" and "trained" workers. Most all the construction accidents you hear or read about are not on "union" jobs. They are non-union jobs that are full of un-skilled, untrained, un-documented workers. People doing work they are not qualified to do. Would you hire an electrician to put in your kitchen faucett, or a plumber to wire up your finished basement? How about your barber to roof your house.

    The bridge that is being built in China for California is to be shipped over and assembled by American workers. It is being built in China to SAVE MONEY, NOT BECAUSE OF A LACK OF SKILLED WORKERS IN AMERICA !!!

    The workers in China are making crap for wages. I read an article several months ago that stated a "steel Polisher" on this job in China is woking 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, for $72. That is $1/ hour. He also is living in company owned housing that he pays for. The article did not reveal how much he was paying in rent, but did state he was sharing a living space and bathroom with 10 other workers.

    I don't understand how we in this country can compete with $1 an hour wages, nor how we as working people are expcted to live on $1 an hour. There are people and politicians that would love to figure out a way to get it done here " so we can compete globally" I hope none of these business men or politicians get their way or elected.

    Just sayinC
     
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    I have a theory that a lot of the problems with the current generation is that they have no practical skills much less common sense. Us boomers went to shop classes almost as a requirement most of us were taught mechanical repairs by our fathers and grandfathers because that was just the way things were done. We were expected to fix most things ourselves around the home and farm. This generation has been taught to look down on manual work and to expect someone else to fix things or just toss them and buy something else. There is so much confidence and respect for yourself that comes from fixing something with your own hands and being self reliant that this generation is missing, and I think it shows in the lack of worth many of them feel.
     
  15. BigBadBob

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    SBE

    You are exactly right. People do not know how nor do they want to know how to repair or install or build anything these days. They want to pay someone else to do it. The only problem is, they will bitch, moan and complain about how much the carpenter, electrician, plumber or mechanic is charging. They think that they should not have to pay so much to get anything done.

    They want to sit in their new house (built by skilled tradesmen) in the burbs and bitch about how much they had to pay to get someone to install a light, or fix their faucett, or build a shed. Something they couldn't do.

    All of us skilled tradesmen have mortgages, car payments and the same bills they have. They just look down their noses and assume we are thieves, taking advantage of them.
     
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    The best part about being able to do things for yourslf is that you can get it done your way. So many of the people (read contractors) want to do things the fatest way possible and with the least quality they can get by with. I prefer to have things done in a way that will last and not have to be redone a few years down the road. Maybe i'm just too picky, but it's my money and about the only way to get something done the way I want it done is to do it myself. Thank God my dad taught me how to be self sufficient when I was growing up, and I tried to teach my son the same things.

    Bob
     
  17. Catpower

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    That was a good video

    I've been in the HVAC business since 1976, never planned on it but after I got out of the Air Force, I was living at home on the farm, when my Mom blew a gasket about a little incident with me and three old girls friends on the living room carpet ( I swear as God as my witness, I thought the folks were gone) anyway she was going to make me straighten up and do things her way, I said screw it, and used my GI bill to go to a community college and learn HVAC/R

    It was the best thing I could have ever done, my 5 siblings all had college degrees, and I made more than any of them

    In 2007 I bought a $150,000 hi def plasma cutter, and the people who made it couldn't make it run right ( don't ever buy a Multicam) so I had to hire a lawyer, he was smarting off and said if I had gone to college and become a lawyer, I wouldn't have to do this sort of work, and I would be making $300 per hour, he got pissed off when I told him I would be taking a pay cut.

    It's been good to me, I retired at 52, and have all the toys and money I could ever want

    But SBE is totally correct, you can't find anybody to do this sort of work anymore, if I could, I would be out of retirement in a heart beat, I still love to chase that dollar bill
     
  18. b12

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    The educational system killed the apprenticeship programs in out industries. It was killing the colleges. Germany have the best engineers in the world but they stuck with apprenticeships.
    college and universitys made a business out of education and not a learning center. Bill
     
  19. late bloomer

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    As a former principal and superintendent, a major part of the problem is that counselors and administrators do not realize that vocational technical training is not for dummies. I defy a large number of college graduates to understand and be able to use the required understanding of geometry, reading, and math required in a machinist course. The same can be said about carpentry, cabinet making, electricity, and auto repair etc. As superintendent of a large urban district (for Kansas) I had employers pleading for a way to have more students trained in technical skills. We currently have a huge need for skilled welders. Yes, overseas labor at sweatshop pay is hurting us; on the other hand, we still have a need for skilled labor.

    Terry Sandlin
     
  20. mrskeet410

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    Mike Rowe is an actor. Why was he testifying before Congress? Wasn't it just a publicity stunt by politicians? Why are you endorsing such crass self-promotion by the ruling class?
     
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