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Michigan MTA ?/ there's hope

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by BILL GRILL, Aug 1, 2012.

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  1. BILL GRILL

    BILL GRILL Active Member

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    So how many of you guys/gals think the MTA made the right decision about taking away half price shooting for our junior shooters? How many of you were at the meeting? Myself I think it was the wrong decision!

    I was also very impressed with the way Wally the MTA president handled a
    situation at the meeting by telling a member to "SHUT UP THAT'S ENOUGH". I have never seen that happen at a public meeting before. Sure made me proud to be a life memer of the MTA. NOT!

    Let's air it out. Bill Grill SR.
  2. Shoot n Holler

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    I agree charging full price to our kids is not looking out for the furture.Everyone agrees that shooters are getting older and I have heard the board blame this for the down turn of shooters. So why cut the youth? This year the Aim and the Sctp supplied the scores and trap help along with the trophys. How does this cost them? Michigan is so blessed with so many great top notch youth shooter it will be a shame to lose them and the future of the sport.
    ask yourself how the kids are treated? Would you shoot the targets that were in the trap houses when they flooded for your State Championship? The kids did.

    Mta has once again made one more move closer to closing the doors.


    Mark Jonckheere
  3. BigM-Perazzi

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    I never had a problem with jr's getting a break, as long as they paid full if playing options, I believe that's how it worked previously..

    Also would be nice if we'd cut an event off a day and have the annual meeting in the afternoon when everybody has nothing else to do..

    Jim Chapman
  4. BIGDON

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    This is the time to bring together all the resources of the membership. The board needs to tap these resources and ideas. The days of sitting back and letting the BOD do everything are past, and I have been as guilty as others. We need to pull together before we pull apart. But if we can't get any body to run for the board then we must suffer with what we have. Not all of the board needs to be replaced. Wally's out burst was not his best moment and he seems to be the roadblock to several new ideas. The board's treatment of Rick hasn't been very stellar either.

    The meeting needs to be workable session instead of just a requirement to be gotten over with.

    Don
  5. michshooter

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    I think the MTA board is acting against our young shooters and the future of our sport by being greedy. In these times it is difficult enough for a parent to pay the fees for themself and their child without doubling teh cost of the child shooting. Doesn't seem a smart move to increase participation in registered matches, probably going to do the opposite.

    ....Paul
  6. Bob Hawkes

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    Excellent words of wisdom Don, applicable to more than just your state unfortunately.
  7. Kemper

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    I was told Keith Heeg and Jerry Glisson volunteered and were turned down for the BOD.

    Let's put a group together and take the bank out that holds their line of credit and make the club a great place that shooters want to come to again.

    Hire a manager, pay him by the target and be done with this BS.

    Let's talk.

    Barry Kemper
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  9. singles

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    I heard (and I dont know how true it is) that the MTA "lost 18k in revenue by having the youth shoot half price targets. Listening to some of the kids they are talking about shooting less and/or not shooting at all in some of the shoots....going to another state that charges half price targets. If you forget all about the price the MTA will get or wont get by charging the full price but instead look at the other factors, such as camping spots, the parent shooting with their child - the MTA stands to loose a lot more then what they will ever make on charging full price on the kids. If a kid shoots half as much next year and instead pays full price the MTA has not made any more money.

    It also seems like the MTA would do some things to better the place for the shooters and campers. No water for the shooters besides what comes out of the faucet? lets all wrap our mouths around those and see how enjoyable it gets! :) No ice to buy for the campers? Seems that is a cheap item to stock and to make a little mony on...not a lot but something and it make the campers happy not to have to run to meijers to buy it.
  10. midalake

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    I know there are people that would like to say what I am going too [I think] DISCLAIMER this does not apply to all.
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    I view MTA as a Christmas present that has been wrapped by a professional.
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    World class facility, beautiful grounds, could anyone ask for more! I could not.
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    EXCEPT: Once you open the box, it is like the worst Christmas present you ever got. It is infectious on more than one level.


    GS
  11. Joe Smoke

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    As a youth coach, we prepare an annual budget for our support funds, and determine the shoot calendar for the year. One of the biggest factors we consider is if the venue gives discount to youth shooters (that do not play options). We have always put MTA on our schedule because of the discount. The kids just want to shoot, and if we can shoot twice as many targets for the same money, it helps our program grow.

    We have even met with the Cardinal Center (which does not give discounts), and are working on a support program with Midway USA to help reduce the cost of youth targets there. There will be a little effort needed to obtain the support funds, but it will happen and will increase shoot attendance, and well as a possible multiplier for all american points.

    Many parents also come and participate when we plan a weekend, team shoot, SCTP, AIM, State Shoot, or Great Lakes Grand. We have a successful youth program that is growing due to the hard work of a lot of individuals, but I'm certain that full price targets for youth at MTA will have an impact on our 2013 schedule.

    Singles above points out that "18K of revenue was lost by youth half price targets". This does not mean they lost 18K on them, maybe they just broke even on them. That is where the half price fee originated- run the youth through at cost and maybe build some business and develop new shooters and new families that attend.

    Hoping that full price youth targets is not the final answer from MTA,

    Joe Nester

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  12. lucky hunter

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    Coming from one of the junior shooters here, I can say that I will not be shooting as much in the next years as I have in the past. I will probably only come for the championship targets and go to other little clubs on the weekend. I do agree with the rule that doesn't allow juniors and sub juniors to pay half price and play the option at the same time. That is unfair to everyone else.

    What I do not understand is why they are trying to push us away. I know many of my friends are not going to renew their camping leases next year....that is over $300 per camper that the grounds is loosing.

    I know times are tough and they are doing as much as they can to make everyone happy and make money at the same time but charging full price for sub juniors and juniors is going to be a terrible mistake. They have other means of making money. Why don't they hold a car show or car auction to make some money when there is no shoots going on? That is a cheap way to make a decent amount of money.

    I went down to Indiana to shoot this year and the grounds are much worse than the MTA and it took over 5 hours to get through 100 targets for everyone but they still had almost 100 squads for the singles championship. The MTA isn't doing the right thing here and hopefully they will learn from their mistakes.
  13. dentguy

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    i shot last three days of michigin state shoot great targets great help crowd seems to be getting smaller. is it michigans economy maybe but other state assosiations draw better crowds wisconsin drew approx 575 shooters for singles championship on 24 traps with no parking limited camping etc. i dont understand whats going but we as michigan shooters need to figure it out. all working together. Tom Hausmann #92-05888
  14. BigM-Perazzi

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    Many of my friends, ok, acquaintances, remark they no longer travel to Mason to see the vendors.
  15. BILL GRILL

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    singles, They said they lost 18000 in revenue but still made a 2200. profit on the kids is what was said at the meeting, if I recall correctly? Bill
  16. singles

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    Could be. I wasnt there at the meeting. Seems everyone here is in agreement that the BOD made a bad deceision - too bad they dont see it that way. I dont shoot, am not an ATA member but my son shoots and it will impact him as well as many other youths.
  17. scott calhoun

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    I'm not a Michigan resident, but I've shot a lot of targets at the MTA grounds. Used to be my favorite place to shoot, and it's still right up there, but it has declined a bit over the years. I don't get hung up on how many shooters are there, I just enjoy the shooting and getting to see people I know, but I realize that shooter count is important to the MTA because that pays the bills.

    However, I know the MTA has fallen on hard times. They used to throw some of the best targets around, and they are still quite good. But I saw something on Sunday morning of the state shoot that I didn't think I'd ever see at Michigan.

    When they switched the traps from doubles to handicap, they set the speed by having someone at the 50-yard stake watch targets as they were thrown and gave adjustment instructions to the guy in the house via radio. They were using a height pole, and given there was hardly a breath of wind using the stake and pole probably got the targets to about right - but what if there was any wind? I watched them set two banks this way, so it wasn't just something they did for one trap to save some time.

    Has it gotten so bad that the MTA can't afford a radar gun?

    Scott
  18. Pride Engineer

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    They set the targets at the GLG the same way but did check them with the radar gun. I checked a few with mine and they were spot on except for one time when I think the trap had sped up due to the loader playing with the spring crank.

    They did have a radar gun but apparently the guys setting the targets were more comfortable using the 50 yard stake. In any case, the targets setting was very good during the GLG with very few adjustments requested by shooters.

    Mark Zauhar
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    Radar gun was there. Shootoff targets sure didn't look like the event targets..course I was in my lounge chair.
  20. Shoot n Holler

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    Bill is right they said thay made $2200.00 form the aim and Sctp shoot for one day and last year they said they had $18,265.50 lost revenue from the discounts they gave the kids. Pretty creative book work.They also said they made $1100. off the 3 day event called the big 50.Which one made more Kids or Big 50? My thought is lets save the Mta the loss and have the Aim shoot at a local club that wants the $2200.00 dollars and then the Mta won't have the lost revenue from any discounts.Look at this way the Mta just made $18,000 without doing anything but chasing the kids off.Now thats book work in the real world.


    Mark
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