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Mexico wants tighter US gun laws.....

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, Apr 22, 2008.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    HOW ABOUT CLOSING THE BORDER, DAMMIT. It's not a lack of gun laws, it's a wide open border.<br>
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    U.S. Guns Arming Mexican Drug Gangs; Second Amendment to Blame?<br>
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    Officials: More Than 90 Percent of Weapons Used by Mexico's Drug Gangs Come From the U.S.<br>
    By BRIAN ROSS and RICHARD ESPOSITO<br>
    April 22, 2008—<br>
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    U.S. gun stores and gun shows are the source of more than 90 percent of the weapons being used by Mexico's ruthless drug cartels, according to U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials.<br>
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    "It's a war going on in Mexico, and these types of firearms are the weapons of war for them," said Bill Newell, the special agent in charge of the Phoenix field division of the ATF, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which has primary law enforcement jurisdiction for investigating gun trafficking to Mexico.<br>
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    "It's virtually impossible to buy a firearm in Mexico as a private citizen, so this country is where they come," said Newell.<br>
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    But U.S. efforts to stop the smuggling of tens of thousands of guns to Mexico, including high-powered assault weapons, have been hampered by lenient American gun laws and the Bush administration's failure to give priority to anti-gun smuggling efforts, officials tell ABC News for a report Tuesday on ABC News' "World News With Charles Gibson."<br>
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    Watch the full report on "World News With Charles Gibson" at 6:30 p.m. ET.<br>
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    President Bush said today at a press conference that Mexican President Felipe Calderon again raised the issue of guns at their meeting in New Orleans.<br>
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    Mexico's strict gun laws are being subverted by the easy availability of weapons in the U.S., the Mexican attorney general, Eduardo Medina-Mora Icaza, told ABC News. "The Second Amendment," said the attorney general, "is certainly not designed to arm and give fire power to organized crime abroad."<br>
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    More than 3,400 people have been killed by the drug cartels in the last 15 months, 2,000 of them law enforcement officials, according to the Mexican attorney general.<br>
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    U.S. and Mexican officials say they have traced most of the thousands of high-powered weapons seized from the drug cartels to gun dealers in Texas, California and Arizona.<br>
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    Assault weapons made in China and Eastern Europe, resembling the AK-47, have become widely and cheaply available in the U.S. since Congress and the Bush administration refused to extend a ban on such weapons in 2004.<br>
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    Under federal gun laws, gun dealers are not required to report multiple purchases of such weapons because they are classified as rifles.<br>
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    "If you were to go into a gun store and buy 20 of these, there is no requirement by the gun dealer to fill out a multiple sales form," said the ATF's Newell.<br>
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    The drug cartels' weapons of choice include variants of the AK-47, .50-caliber sniper rifles and a Belgian-made pistol called the "cop killer" or "mata policia" because of its ability to pierce a bulletproof vest.<br>
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    "It's in high demand by your violent drug cartels, their assassins in Mexico," said Newell of the ATF. The gun can fire a high-powered round used in a rifle.<br>
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    An ABC News investigation found the "mata policia" and a wide range of assault weapons prominently displayed at gun stores along the border in Texas, the state providing the most weapons to the drug cartels, according to the ATF.<br>
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    Under Texas and federal law, there is no waiting period for the purchase of such weapons and no restriction on how many can be bought at a time.<br>
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    U.S. officials say there is little they can do to go after licensed gun dealers because large purchases, dozens or hundreds at a time, are legal for U.S. citizens and legal immigrants with an INS green card unless a gun dealer suspects the purchase is being made for someone else.<br>
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    ATF agents say legitimate gun dealers will often report suspicious activities, but that a small but significant number looks the other way.<br>
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    "I have personally worked cases where gun dealers have willfully allowed hundreds of guns to leave their gun store knowing that they were going into the wrong hands," said Newell.<br>
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    While the Bush administration has asked for an additional $100 million to combat drug violence on the border, only $948,000, less than one percent, has been allocated to the ATF under the White House proposal.<br>
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    "We need a lot more resources," said the ATF's Newell.<br>
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    "It sure shows a lack of concern on our part for this piece of the problem," said Sen. Jeff Bingaman, D-N.M., who has introduced legislation to give the ATF an additional $15 million to improve border efforts.
     
  2. laura!

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    Brian,

    I saw that story. Seems to me that we're busy enough keeping Mexico's drugs and citizens out of the US without much help from Mexico. If they don't want the guns, they need to tighten their own border.

    That said, the 2nd Ammendment doesn't apply to foreigners and, gun dealers shouldn't be selling to them.
     
  3. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Maybe we should have went to Mexico instead of Iraq. They have very little law enforcement of any value.
     
  4. Beretta687EELL

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    I guess the Mexican politicians, like the ones up here in Canada, want to blame the US gun laws for their inability to deal with their own problem citizens. Bill Malcolm
     
  5. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

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    Of course its our fault.

    Mexican criiminals, bent on breaking laws, break laws to illegally buy guns so they can break more laws like committing murder, and somehow its the United States and its gun laws that are at fault.

    That's pretty clear to me...
     
  6. W.P.T.

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    I feel that if the Mexican Government is that concerned they should patrol the border on their side and execute all of those who are invading and bringing guns in against the laws and we should do the same on this side ... Problem solved ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  7. highflyer

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    I was lead to believe that there is a lot of money to be made in the drug trade. If the big drug gangs have a lot of money they will be able to get guns. If the United States didn't exist I would bet they would find a way to get their guns. Mexico needs to quit blaming their poverty and corruption on the United States. I have seen shows where young Mexican kids aspire to be drug dealers because that is the easiest way for them to become rich. Mexico needs to fix their own country and stop blaming us.
     
  8. bill1949

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    Screw Mexico and the horse they rode in on.
     
  9. shannon391

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    Borders,Gas prices, food and grain prices, war, falling dollar,Job loss, morgage meltdown, What's next..
     
  10. hoggy

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    Thermonuclear war?
     
  11. halfmile

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    Low yield neutron slum clearance devices will take out the humans in an area and not hurt the real estate.

    I like it.

    the funny thing was that some sonoran officials went to the Arizona Senate to complain when AZ started enforcing, and sending illegals back home.

    Home don't want them. Home wants them to take American money and send it back to sonora.

    They said the influx of returned illegals was making their life vary hard.

    Tough Schmidt.

    HM
     
  12. halfmile

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    You have to read this. Isn't it what they call chutzpah?

    LOLOL.

    HM
     
  13. Juno

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    Dey no cloze de borderz. Thiz whi i shootz de gunz.
     
  14. Juno

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    Of course they're always thinking of new ways to infiltrate.
     
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    And we're always thinking of new ways of catching them!
     
  16. Don Steele

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    Don't you people understand......!!!????
    WHATEVER is wrong....It's ALL the fault of the United States and George Bush. If only we can get a democrat President, who understands this...the whole world will love us.
    GEEZ...........
     
  17. oleolliedawg

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    Being a dealer can anyone tell me how I could sell dozens of weapons to Mexican nationals and how they'd get back across the border!!
     
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