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Megan McCain

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by chuckles, Feb 12, 2010.

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  1. chuckles

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    25 year old Megan McCain on tv talk show yesterday....

    " I don't want a bunch of 65 year old elderly telling me how to handle my health, I want Health Care and I want it Now"
     
  2. birdogs

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    Now that it has hit the fan in the Senate, McCain remembers that he is a Republican. He is a "progressive Republican; that means a moderate Democrat. He needs to go like all the rest of his ilk!
     
  3. GW22

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    Regarding the father:

    Should we be surprised that when we elect a guy who finished in the bottom 1% of his class at Annapolis, we end up with someone who's not very bright?

    I mean, think about all the classes you've taken in your life and all the schools from which you've graduated. Now think about the dumbest 1% of the students you remember. That is McCain. He wasn't just a party boy who finished in the bottom half -- he literally defined the lowest level of intelligence one can have and still graduate. This isn't merely an opinion -- he was actually dumber than 99% of all students in his graduating class. And don't rationalize that, "Well, Annapolis is a very exclusive school so the dumbest 1% might still be pretty sharp." McCain only got into that school in the first place because of his father's position in the Navy.

    Regarding the daughter:

    She enjoys the limelight and seems to want to be "Paris Hilton with a brain." There are two major problems with that goal -- she doesn't look like Paris Hilton and she has her father's intellect. And yet she will seek political office. And people will actually vote for her.

    Learning our lesson:

    Let's learn from history and not elect people for foolish or superficial reasons. McCain was a POW and reportedly refused early release because he knew it was a North Vietnamese ploy having to do with his father. That's honorable if it's true, but it doesn't turn a bottom 1% student into a smart guy. A dummy held captive for five years will be a different man when released, but probably still not real smart.

    So let's learn. Morals and values matter a lot but these are very challenging times for America and we need very intelligent leaders. They can have morals and values too, but intellect is crucial. Sarah Palin is cute and hot and sassy and has a great personality. She shoots guns and stands up for God and Country, which is very cool. She's adorable and I like her a LOT. But let's be honest -- she's not exceptionally bright, or even well-read on basic subjects. Certainly not bright enough to lead the world's greatest power. It was the same story with Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy. Forget their politics for a second -- they're just not very bright people. It was only poor flying skills and bad judgement which kept JFK Jr. "John-John" from ending up in Congress despite his diminutive brainpower and multiple bar exam failures. Then, as with most popular Kennedy men, would have come the inevitable run for the Presidency -- the much awaited return of America to the beloved "Camelot." Every Democrat alive and 95% of women in America probably would have voted for him. Just imagine that dunce of a left-leaning vapid pretty-boy being President of the United States of America. A sobering thought, isn't it?

    So let's please stop handing over the future of our country and children to "personalities" who aren't very intelligent. If you've never run so much as a successful Kool-Aid stand, then I'm sorry but you can't be President. If you don't know how to prounounce the word nuclear, even after tutoring, I'm sorry but you can't be President. If you don't have the good sense and will power to stop banging hoes for just a few years while you're Governor of Arkansas, I'm sorry but you can't bang them in the Whitehouse. If you're a charming Georgia boy with utopian dillusions about everything getting better if you just smile a lot, act folksy, and stop giving away Airforce One pens and ashtrays, then maybe you should just keep farming peanuts and let the smart people run the USA.

    Doesn't this make sense? Isn't it all very obvious? Can't we agree to stop the nonsense and demand better for our kids' futures?

    -Gary
     
  4. Rimfirejim

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    IQ22 You don't get to be a Rhodes Scholar by being dumb.I'm talkin about Clinton.Name some Repugs with brains , at a loss huh. Oh well good luck. Jim
     
  5. Setterman

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    Hey RimDimDem, Do you shoot? Last 3 Democrat presidents: Carter- led us into our worst recession. Clinton-Gave away missle guidance system to China, Gave Nafta to South America, Disgraced the Presidancy, took our Whitehouse Silverware. Obama- led us back into recession. They need to quit telling us how smart they are, and start SHOWING us how smart they are.

    BTW...Do you shoot?
     
  6. chuckles

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    Clinton had a high IQ and was known as a High Intellectual, in fact he was so intellectual he saw everything in gray as opposed to black and white and was totally incapable of making a decision, all he could do was ponder the situation and ask others for their opinions and that is exactly what led to his inability to proscute the Terroism going on around his 8 year Presidency which eventually led to 9/11,....... so much for being a Rhodes scholar.....

    Bush was black and white to a fault and had no problem taking the fight to the Radical Islamic Jihadist's....

    Clock is still running on Obama but it doesn't look good....

    regards
     
  7. GW22

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    Jim:

    Scholarship, in any degree, without good judgement isn't much better than lack of intelligence. At least not with respect to something as important as the Presidency of the U.S. You also seem to have skipped over the part about morals and values. Do you really want a President who basically loses years of potential effectiveness because he's battling morals charges and impeachment? Or is that the Republicans' fault for pointing out what he did and how he lied about it, under oath, to Congress?

    Obama is a well educated person too, and yet he's running the country into the ground. If it makes you feel any better, I'd take Clinton back in a second in place of this socialist "citizen of the world" and his racist wife. I prefer a "citizen of America" -- a really intelligent one who puts America's best interest ahead of his own, and ahead of politics. A Teddy Roosevelt type, for example.

    Regarding your question, I don't feel the need to defend Republicans or Democrats. In many ways, they have become the same party. Both are mainly about huge government and self-interest. They goad gullible voters into the whole D vs. R fallacy. It's basically D+R vs. America and it's future.

    As I've cited before -- those who don't yet get it should revisit the learning opportunity we were provided when Mary Matalin married James Carville. In other words, the most rabid right-wing conservative female Republican speechwriter and advisor who ever walked the planet MARRIED the most loyal and fierce left-wing extremist political strategist alive. In contemporary terms, that's like discovering that Karl Rove is married to Nancy Pelosi, only more extreme. Shouldn't this tell us something about the childish notion that Democrats and Republicans are polar opposites, and that one party deserves our blind trust?

    -Gary
     
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    Rimfireidiot;

    slick willie didn't have a brain cell in his head when it came to leadership. slick willie was THE reason the Republicans took over the House of Representatives in '94 after 40 years of liberal control. His early policies were rejected. The only thing that got him re-elected was the fact that he moved to the Right,,and heavily utilized political polling. From that time forward, he lived by polling data and what the people wanted to "hear".

    Then, of course, comes the defining moment of his presidency, his IMPEACHMENT. LMAO. An national disgrace. Period. The number of Supreme Court justices that attended slick willies last state of the union address,,,ZERO..

    Regarding leadership or practicality, he is like you. Not a brain cell in the head.
     
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    Well we all know according to those that are doing the judging on this thead that I am not capable of thought. Just ask Gary or Jim so to both of you I will say.

    Gary, "McCain was in the bottom 1% of his graduating class." What I find interesting is that the guy that is doing the evaluating on this thread has done less with his intelligence than McCain has obviously done with his. After all I didn't see him run for President. Or for that matter become US Senator.

    Jim, Rhodes Scholar that make him a real smart guy I guess. Well here is a flash for you Jim. Kris Kristofferson is also a Rhodes Scholar. I don't believe that I would even consider voting for him. So I think you need to study a little harder.

    Bob Lawless
     
  10. GW22

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    Jim:

    I provided a serious and respectful answer to your shot about Clinton but later I recalled that you were the same person who, on another post, claimed that corporations paid 70% of the taxes 30 years ago. I refuted that fallacy and you did not reply. I suggest that you put some thought into your arguments and be prepared to defend them on merit, rather than partisan emotion. You can't make-up "facts," or take cheapshots and run, and expect to be taken seriously when debating serious subjects.

    I also dislike how you try to discredit concerned Americans who are genuinely worried about America's future by calling them "teabaggers." Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann stooped to that level and, in doing so, gave up their right to ever be considered serious journalists.



    -Gary
     
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    You would think (operative word here jimmy) that a Rhodes Scholar would know something about DNA on a blue dress....
     
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    Education and intelligence are not always linked, I have met quite a few idiots with a good university education and I have known a lot of individuals who were highly intelligent but only had a moderate level of education. Maurice ( The Brit. )
     
  13. GW22

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    Thanks flinch, but I'm not really trying to give anyone hell. It's just that when I look at my children and I look at what's happening to our culture and values and I can't help but fear for my kids' futures. I fear that the America most of us know and love might be facing its demise. I fear that America's Federal Government is literally becoming the enemy of its people. When we elect candidates primarily because of their charm, or looks, or personality, or their ability to eloquently deliver speeches written by someone else and projected onto glass panes in front of them, it makes me wonder who we might elect next and what might be the catastrophic result.

    Churchill once said something like, "The greatest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." That quote actually gives me hope because I figure that if there were enough fools back then for him to publicly say something like that, then maybe we can still overcome the incredible dumbing-down of America that we're seeing now. But the biggest difference between then and now, besides the breakdown of the family unit, is the media. Journalism is all but gone. It's all opinion now. It's all thinly-veiled partisan propaganda. In the mean time, Democrats and Republicans laugh together over fine wine as we bicker among ourselves and they rob us blind. God help us if we don't pull together and stop them.

    -Gary
     
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    Well said GW22.

    DoubleAuto
     
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    GW22,


    Just curious - does the current occupant of the White House meet your intelligence standards for a President?


    And while I'm at it - who does?


    Your tome did a good job of narrowing down the choices, but you didn't give us much of an answer.
     
  16. Rimfirejim

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    GW22. Yes, I shoot and not just my mouth. I shoot all of these 22, 38,45 Target, 22 rimfire target and sporter target, M1 Garand, M1A Hi power rifle, Trap and Skeet. I do not shoot 5 stand or sporting clays. I do all my own reloading for all gauges except 16. I also reload all pistol and rifle calibers that I shoot.
    Jim
     
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    Jim:

    I'm not the person who asked if you shoot. Your reading comprehension is apparently on par with your knowledge of corporate income tax.

    Buzz-Gun:

    I already expressed my opinion of Obama on this post. Regarding your question about who I think is intelligent and ethical enough to be President, I concede that it is very difficult to answer. It's difficult because we don't usually learn all the details about a candidate, their beliefs and their background until they are well on their way in the primaries. Consider the despicable John Edwards for example. I'd be reluctant to vote for any ambulance chaser, but who could have known just how low of a scumbag he truly was? The media doesn't help until it's too late because they are partisan and primarily driven by ratings and sensationalism. The media knows that typical Americans are not very interested in how intelligent a candidate is. After all, Americans voted for Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Joe Biden and Ted Kennedy. So we're basically on our own to do research. But why should we? The most qualified people are usually not charismatic enough, or politically correct enough, or they make too much money to be interested. Or, in many cases, they know how you must sell-out and how crooked you must be in order to raise enough money to be a viable contender under the current system.

    Having said all that, I will not dodge your question. Off the top of my head I guess I'd start by considering the following politicians and vetting their backgrounds for character and ethics: Paul Ryan, the Representative from Wisconsion; Bob Barr, former Republican and 2008 Libertarian candidate; and Ron Paul, Representative from Texas.

    We should also vet and consider some non-politicians such as business leaders like Jack Welch, former CEO of GE. Certainly some Generals in the US military should be considered, because of their experience with buraucracy and the importance of respecting our military and national defense. Finally, in light of our poor economy and the possibility that it could collapse, we should consider a few economic scholars. Peter Schiff comes to mind because over the last decade he had a greater understanding of our economic situation than anybody alive. If you're interested in these matters enough to have read this far, perhaps you'll invest ten minutes more to watch an amazing video which illustrates how much smarter Peter Schiff is than other economic "experts" or government. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw Watch how this poor guy tries, in interview after interview, to warn everybody about what was going to happen to our economy. Notice how his warnings were not only ignored, but he was openly mocked like a lunatic. This is how we treat intelligent people in America if they don't have the right looks or personality. Schiff wasn't running for office, but after seeing the video do you see why intelligent people might not even attempt to run? Why do we do this? Why would we rather elect a vapid smooth-talker than a thoughtful and intelligent leader?

    -Gary
     
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    Gentlemen: I would like to express my appreciation for GW22's posts on this thread. They were incisive, insightful, accurate, persuasive, and honest. Members from both sides of the aisle can and should benefit from the wisdom found therein.

    Meghan McCain was good enough to bring us here. I didn't see the interview so I will ask your indulgence in advance for any erroneous interpretation of her "face value" remark. My guess is that Meghan McCain is a selfish, psuedo socialite who couldn't find her way home without borrowing her Mom's GPS. If her demand for Health Care is personal, I suggest she get a job, buy a policy, and make her own payments. If her demand for Health Care is of a more global nature, I suggest she tap the Budweiser account over at Mom's office, and pay for the care of all the little people in our Clinton/Lewinsky New Ethics culture who she feels worthy. If she thinks any of that money is going to come out of my pocket, she's a shakier intellectual cripple than her old man.

    Meghan McCain isn't even old enough to think. She couldn't wipe the sweat off most 65 year old guys, especially trapshooters. She is just another example of the Cavalcade of Idiots who trot themselves out in the costume of the moment, thinking they move the cosmos with one spin of their rented tu-tu...the penultimate clown's brigade.

    I don't care what Meghan McCain thinks. Or Nancy Pelosi. Or Rahm Emanuel. Or Barrack Obama. I care what GW22 thinks...and men and women like him. I care what so many of you with sons and daughters in harm's way think. I care about a courageous, patriotic country. I do not care about a cowardly, communistic country. I want for the cowards and the communists to be defeated.

    The time has come to pick sides. The time has come to coalesce and consolidate. Even though every movement must have a leader, this time in our brief history is more about ideas than it is about men. We have to be able to sit down and make a list of 5 or 6 things that we want...and then we have to go get them. I want a balanced budget. I want energy independence. I want to kill the enemy.

    What do you want?

    Thank you. Kit Thomas
     
  19. Setterman

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    I want what Kit wants. Great post.
     
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    Kit you said a mouthful but all so damn true. One other thing i want and that is a much smaller governmnt with a lot less mandating and catering to the lazy. It is funny but somehow i get the feeling there are a few guys on here that should run for office.
     
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