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Math on shell speed 1145 vs 1400

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by twcpdc, Mar 21, 2011.

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  1. twcpdc

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    I have seen some information on here about the speed of shells. I was wondering if practice with 1400 ft per sec will hurt when you then shoot 1145 or 1200. Can buy some 3/4 oz 1400 cheap. Though I might use them for league and practice. So what is the verdict do more harm than good or shoot the cheap practice shells. Thanks Tom
     
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    To be good at trolling you have to have a better cast than this one!!! Better luck next time. Breake-m all. JEff
     
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    Practice with what you will shoot in competition.
     
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    Buy a box and shoot a round of trap. If you like them, then buy them. HMB
     
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    I believe it will hurt your scores. I like a hot/fast shell 1300/1400 and shoot better with them. If I drop back down to 1150/1200 I will drop two to three birds a round. Now from the 16 is a different story as I use 7/8 oz 1200 reloads and a skeet choke and I shoot quick, works for me. Jackie B.
     
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    It's not a good idea. The absence of pain will be a distraction.
     
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    A better question for the discussion would be whether there is anyone on this forum that can actually point a shotgun so well every time they could tell the 1" difference in lead to adjust for the speed differnces. Speed for target shooters is a joke. 1145-1300 fps makes no difference in perceived lead. Plus slower shells usually always pattern better.
     
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    1145 to 1200 makes no difference that my eye can see or brain worries about. 250 feet per-second sounds like a lot of difference. Some one on here did some math before on something like this I would like to know if someone has the math on this I don't know the time to use to try to figure out how much the shot and target intersection will change. If it doesn't throw off the timing I would buy several flats of these shell 3/4 oz 1400 fps. They should shoot soft and like I said 1.00 box cheaper for practice. If I can see the numbers the math puts on this I hope the brain can work to shootem but whit out the numbers the brain might make unnecessary problems. Tom
     
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    If you are thinking about using those promotional dove and quail shells I don't think you'll like them. They are cheap for a reason, some of them have old fashioned hard cards between the shot and powder and the shot is shot. From what I've tried they kicked hard and patterned lousy.
     
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    Tom, I believe there is enough difference in the loads to get your brain thinking after you shoot a few rounds with them. Once you do that you will have problems with something in your shooting. Don't mess with these shells. Get some $5 dollar a box Dicks or 5.50 a box walmarts and stop thinking and just shoot. There will be a much harder kick and this alone will be a bad thing after you shoot up your shells to save a few dollars. It will take 3 times longer to go away. Good Luck and Breake-m all. Jeff
     
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    Recoil reduction when compared to normal target loads, especially one ounce at 1200 fps, isn't really happening. I've shot some 3/4 and 7/8 ounce promotional shells at high velocities. I believe they were both Winchester in a white box. The 3/4 was listed at 1400, if I can remember correctly. They were rather loud and kicked as much as regular target loads. 3/4 ounce at 1400 fps might work for practice, but unless they were REALLY cheap, I'd pass them up. I used a "turkey" choke to get some pattern density, and even that was questionable. My usual chokes didn't do too well either. I guess less shot is just less shot and more velocity and cheap components didn't help much either. I've loaded 7/8 ounce to well over 1300 fps and found that there can be a big difference in wads and patterns. As far as range is concerned, the pellets will eventually slow down to a point where there is very little difference between the 1400 fps and a 1200 fps launch, given the same shot size is used. I would try a box or two an then try to decide if it's worth buying more.
     
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    from the 16.. just about anything will work for me... but once I'm around the 25 yard line or better.. I REQUIRE a faster shell.. It's not the math.. or the recoil... My target breaking sensory computer can not deal with pull..........................................................break... It needs instant gradification.. pull...break.. While I can't see the difference between 1250 and 1350.. I see a huge difference between 1150 and 1250..
     
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    If I am thinking right the target will be 3 inches short with the 1440 fps over the 1200 fps. Any one have a answer. Tom
     
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    Actually PBB the difference is so slight your brain can't detect it. What makes the 1250 shell seem so much faster is that your brain is in shock for a short period from the HUGE recoil. By the time the brain figures out where it is the shot has reached the target. ;o)

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