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Majority Calculations...

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by rpeerless, Dec 30, 2012.

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  1. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    Have you ever questioned how the majority agrees to something the liberals want to push? It's all in the calculation and which majority they refer to.

    Example: XYZ = Everyone becomes a Democrat




    1. If you are interested in XYZ please attend a special meeting, no mention of a vote.


    2. 75% of those invited (ie the majority) are not interested and do not go.

    3. 25% of those invited attend the 'informational' meeting

    4. A vote on XYZ is taken at the meeting and it is 80% in favor and 20% against XYZ. That is of the 25% attending the meeting who are interested.

    5. So now the majority is 75% not interested and were told to attend only if they are interested and an addtional 20% opposed who did attend.

    6. It gets wrongly reported that the majority 80% are in favor over 20% opposed based on the meeting alone and not the vast majority who are uninterested and opposed..



    7. XYZ passes by a majority vote...

    Has anyone else run into this on an 'out of the blue' issue?

    Wouldn't it make more sense to say it was voted down by the opposition and a lack of interest combined?

    (Sounds like our election process kinda but that's a whole other issue.)
     
  2. crusha

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    People have to show up. If they don't show up, the politicians get their way. They count on this.


    "If X is the population of the United States, and y is the degree of imbecility of the Average American, then democracy is the theory that x times y is less than y."


    -H.L. Mencken
     
  3. rpeerless

    rpeerless Well-Known Member

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    Yes and the point is that you were only supposed to show up if you were in favor. Twenty percent of those attending showed up anyway to oppose the whole idea. No mention of a vote was ever mentioned in the letter invitation. How many would have showed up to oppose if they new what was being decided at that meeting. XYZ = progressive activity.

    One small piece of the entire pie attended the meeting.

    A portion of that small piece of pie was broken off and placed aside that would be those opposed.

    The small portion with a piece removed was referred to as the majority in the press and in further communications.
     
  4. crusha

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    Was this a board meeting of a club or something? Because I see this a lot in situations where clubs go to hell.
     
  5. rpeerless

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    When my son was in school, it was a special meeting of the BOE. The decision effected the entire school system.

    Yes, it can happen at clubs as well.

    Was told that's the way the vote is done in a democracy. I think not. It was already skewed.

    If an issue or proposal is going to come to a vote, it should have been stressed in the letter that attendance is especially important or a respose card could have been included and returned either pro or con. Most meetings that involved a vote were well attended.
     
  6. rpeerless

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    What brought this to mind today was the following:

    "We have put forward not only a sensible deal, but one that has the support of the majority of the American people including close to half of Republicans,"
    Obama during a Meet the Press interview.

    Now I don't know about you but no one surveyed me on the subject.
     
  7. Bill Hom

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    The only way we count is when we are forced to pay taxes. Bill
     
  8. TinMan88

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    So they BORROWED the money so WE would not notice. Usury? No problemo. Backlash? They won't know what hit them till it's too late.

    Ohh, that sounds a lot like the poor suckers who bought MBS 'securitys' only to find out they were toxic derivitives.

    Oh, sorry sucker...
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

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    That's exactly why the previous governor here, for his plan to adopt california style vehicle emission laws, held public "input" meetings in little out of the way places with little advance notice to the local community. But the greenies, occupiers and tree huggers knew all about it and showed up in vastly more numbers than the locals. This gave the governor the "mandate" he needed. And the liberals involved see nothing wrong with this, because it is situational ethics.
     
  10. rpeerless

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    In light of what is occuring with Feinstine and gun legislation, I am rekindling this thread. Do you see where statistical rigging is occuring?
     
  11. timberfaller

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    Is a "myth"!!! if you've ever noticed almost all polls are based on only 1000 to 1500 people.(bought and paid for)

    And they derive from that "drop in the bucket" that 75% of America whats this and that or believes this way over that way, and on and on they go!!!

    But when you repeat a LIE long enough and often enough, it becomes the TRUTH to those who are to lazy to find out the TRUTH!!

    Just watch the news and party talking heads!!!!
     
  12. rpeerless

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    If you hand pick the people for the poll then the result is guaranteed. If you poll at random, then you have a better cross section of the population. However if you call a meeting for only pro or only con people to attend then the rules change. This is no way to ensure the rights of the whole.
     
  13. darr

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    There are many places now that politicians can act with impunity.Like Ca. NY Mn.They know if they are a democrat they are going to get reelected.They have no fear.The problem is the majority is wrong about many things in this country.The politicians are not the problem they are a symptom.The voters are the problem.


    Darr
     
  14. Catpower

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    Very true Darr they have figured out they can elect Santa Claus so they will keep doing it until Santa runs out of other people's money then it all goes to hell

    Thomas Jefferson saw it a long time ago, too bad all the pols didn't study history
     
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