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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by bigclown, May 9, 2007.

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  1. bigclown

    bigclown TS Member

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    In another thread a lot of discussion about shooting vs. fishing has been debated. Why aren't there options for the very competitive shooters who are "high rollers" to address the "low payout" problem? Entry fees would be meaningful...name a number $100, $500 or ??...any shooter could enter if they want to risk the money and compete against each other - winner take all (after a small club fee)? Wouldn't this address the original poster's primary concern: "The money out does not equal the money in." ? Say, 10 shooters put in $100 each and the winner goes away with $975 ($25 for the club's shoot-off targets). Shoot-offs would be interesting. What am I missing? Best Regards, Ed
     
  2. Setterman

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    Ed, you are absolutely correct, and thats why the money is not there in many handicaps. There are no less than 20 "Big Dogs" at any big shoot. One or two of them will be "on" that day and run a 100. The weekend warriors do not have a high % of beating them all, so why risk the option dollars? Sure it can happen, but the odds are against the average Joe trapshooter.

    I agree. If people want to win big money, let them pay big option fees for the "opportunity" to win big bucks.

    Good Post!
     
  3. bigclown

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    The more I think about it, is it that the really competitive shooters want all the "little guys" to chip into the options?...and since many do not, or the club pays too many places so the "little guys" can win something, there are not enough $$ to keep the high rollers interested. Just trying to figure this all out. Thanks, Setterman for your comments. Ed
     
  4. lumper

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    This has been a debatable topic for a long time and a reason why there are people who like to sandbag so they can attempt to rake in the winnings.

    As one shooter I know who shoots competitions when asked about how he is shooting compared to the rest he always says there is only one person he is competing with ... himself ... he aint shooting for money or for badges or really anything at all except to beat his own previous scores.

    Since when did shooting become about trying to win big payouts?
     
  5. $$$SHTR

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    The Pousbo Gun Club in northwest Washington is going to have a Big Gun option in the program for the 4th of July shoot. $100.00 buy-in, winner takes all. This might seperate the talkers from the doers!!

    Tomas
     
  6. lumper

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    That would be time to break out the 1100 with no shell catcher and be sure it is well cleaned and ejecting shells 6 or 7 feet a time.

    It would also be time to slow down and speed up your motions and how you call for the bird along with the volume you use to call for the bird.

    It would also be time to call for the bird by firmly and loudly saying push, drag, jump, bump, dog, cat, bush, tree and almost any other word you care to use.

    If its a big money shoot than its time to rattle the thoughts and psychy of your fellow shooters while you rattle them into missing birds because of you. That might seperate the actual doers from those who think there doers.
     
  7. southpark

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    Jeepers, I must be dreaming about all the up and coming short yardage shooters who win options on their way up -- so "Big Dogs" shoot from less than the 27?

    Moreover, do they let "Big Dogs" compete for B Class, C Class, and D Class Champion options?

    Wow, I never knew.
     
  8. rjdden

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    Yup! There is a sand bagger in every bunch!! Rich.(inPeoira,Az.)
     
  9. Setterman

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    I'm sure there would be "extensive prequalifications" of handicap averages and known ability to allow anyone to shoot in a high dollar option at yardage closer than 27. If it's at an ATA shoot....Whatever the rule book says!
     
  10. Bustedemall

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    There will always be those who want to win but won't put in the work it takes so they try to drag the winners down to their level or below. It's sad.
     
  11. bigclown

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    Hope Tomas reports back to TS.com the results of the $100 option at the Club in Washington! Setterman, your point about "extensive prequalifications" is well-stated. Thanks, Ed
     
  12. $$$SHTR

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    The Big Gun option at Poulsbo is open to all yardages, according to the PITA rules. All short yardage shooters are encouraged to enter, (except those from Kentucky). The last I heard, there were about twenty (20) people who had expressed an interest in the option. There are also the Washington State Magnums, also open to all yardages. The Poulsbo Gun Club always has great trophies, well set targets, and a lunch, that the volunter wives provide, that is as good as you can get anywhere (especially Dorthea's oatmeal cookies). This is just one small gun club in the northwest corner of a rainy state trying to bring trapshooting back to the glory days. Change is always slow and painful, but worth it in the long run. If you are in the northwest around the 4th-of-July, please come on by and shoot the Big Gun!!

    Tomas
     
  13. shannon391

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    Got my $900 check in the mail today. More fun than the casino or the lotto and YOU are in control of the outcome, and I did it with my $700 Rem. 3200 without updates.

    Good shooting, Shannon
     
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    How many of you are already squadded for, or are planning to shoot, the Las Vegas 500?

    Seems like that would be a good place for you all to put up or shut up.

    But I doubt we'll see you there. I'm sure you'll have some good excuse though.
     
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    The "big dogs" favorite player is the guy that purposely drops targets all year then thinks he can turn in on at a big shoot with all options played. It just don't hapen that way.
     
  16. bigclown

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    Although I haven't the skill or the $$ to compete, the high dollar option seems to make sense for those who like the "thrill of success and the agony of defeat..." Heck, I seldom play any options. I would like to watch the shoot-offs of shooters for a big $$ prize. Best Regards, Ed
     
  17. LV Trapshooting Park

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    The Las Vegas 500, June 1st, 2nd & 3rd, features 2 ydg groups (19-26.5) & (27), separating the "Big Dogs", from everyone else, for the gold coin buckles, all 50s, 25s, and purses. Entry is compulsory. The only thing that is open to all entries and is optional, is the $100 Lewis Class on the total 500, and the Special Event on Saturday evening.

    What more can I say? As the man said, time to put up, or quiet down!


    Steve Carmichael

    Las Vegas Gun Club
     
  18. lumper

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    Why not just shoot for braggin rights and a cheap lousy medal of some sort? Why make it at all about money? Money is the root of all evil and our sport is not evil ... or is it and we just dont realize it?
     
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    If you don't shoot for money or play options, your opinion is irrelevant. let the option players set standards.
     
  20. lumper

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    Things are evil ... trust me I know.
     
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