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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Nov 8, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2006

    Heck boys, you had better WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Fort Hood shooting: Texas army killer linked to September 11 terrorists
    Major Nidal Malik Hasan worshipped at a mosque led by a radical imam said to be a "spiritual adviser" to three of the hijackers who attacked America on Sept 11, 2001.

    By Philip Sherwell and Alex Spillius
    Published: 8:17PM GMT 07 Nov 2009

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    Major Nidal Malik Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas Photo: GETTY The radical Imam Anwar al-Awlaki, accused of supporting attacks on British troops
    Hasan, the sole suspect in the massacre of 13 fellow US soldiers in Texas, attended the controversial Dar al-Hijrah mosque in Great Falls, Virginia, in 2001 at the same time as two of the September 11 terrorists, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt. His mother's funeral was held there in May that year.

    The preacher at the time was Anwar al-Awlaki, an American-born Yemeni scholar who was banned from addressing a meeting in London by video link in August because he is accused of supporting attacks on British troops and backing terrorist organisations.

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    Fort Hood shooting: President Barack Obama will travel to Texas for Fort Hood memorial service Hasan's eyes "lit up" when he mentioned his deep respect for al-Awlaki's teachings, according to a fellow Muslim officer at the Fort Hood base in Texas, the scene of Thursday's horrific shooting spree.

    As investigators look at Hasan's motives and mindset, his attendance at the mosque could be an important piece of the jigsaw. Al-Awlaki moved to Dar al-Hijrah as imam in January, 2001, from the west coast, and three months later the September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hamzi and Hani Hanjour began attending his services. A third hijacker attended his services in California.

    Hasan was praying at Dar al-Hijrah at about the same time, and the FBI will now want to investigate whether he met the two terrorists.

    Charles Allen, a former under-secretary for intelligence at the Department of Homeland Security, has described al-Awlaki, who now lives in Yemen, as an "al-Qaeda supporter, and former spiritual leader to three of the September 11 hijackers... who targets US Muslims with radical online lectures encouraging terrorist attacks from his new home in Yemen".

    Last night Hasan remained in a coma under guard at a military hospital in San Antonio, Texas, and was said to be in a "stable" condition. Born in America to a Palestinian family, Hasan, 39, was an army psychiatrist who had chosen to sign up for the US military against his parents' wishes.

    But he turned into an angry critic of the wars America was waging in Iraq and Afghanistan and had tried in vain to negotiate his discharge.

    He counselled soldiers returning from the front line and told relatives that he was horrified at the prospect of a deployment to Afghanistan later this year – his first time in a combat zone.

    Whether due to his personal convictions, his stress over his deployment or other reasons, Hasan is alleged to have snapped and gone on a murderous rampage with a powerful semi-automatic handgun after shouting "Allahu Akhbar" ("God is great"), according to survivors. He had earlier given away copies of the Koran to neighbours.

    Investigators at this stage have no indication that he planned the attacks with anyone else. But they are trawling through his phone records, paperwork and computers he used before the attack during an apparently sleepless night.

    Five of the 13 victims were fellow mental health professionals from three units of the army's Combat Stress Control Detachment, it was disclosed yesterday.

    It is understood that Hasan had been due to be deployed with members of those units in coming months. Whether he deliberately singled out other combat stress counsellors is another key question.

    What does seem clear is that the army missed an increasing number of red flags that Hasan was a troubled and brooding individual within its ranks.

    "I was shocked but not surprised by news of Thursday's attack," said Dr Val Finnell, a fellow student on a public health course in 2007-08 who heard Hasan equate the war on terrorism to a war on Islam. Another student had warned military officials that Hasan was a "ticking time bomb" after he reportedly gave a presentation defending suicide bombers.

    Kamran Pasha, the author of Mother of the Believers, a new novel relating the story of Islam from the perspective of Aisha, Prophet Mohammed's wife, was told of the al-Awlaki connection from a Muslim friend who is also an officer at Fort Hood. Using the name Richard, the recent convert to Islam described how he frequently prayed with Hasan at the town mosque after Hasan was deployed to Fort Hood in July. They last worshipped together at predawn prayers on the day of the massacre when Hasan "appeared relaxed and not in any way troubled or nervous".

    But Richard had previously argued with Hasan when he said that he felt the "war on terror" was really a war against Islam, expressed anti-Jewish sentiments and defended suicide bombings.

    "I asked Richard whether he believed that Hasan was motivated by religious radicalism in his murderous actions," Mr Pasha said.

    "Richard, with great sadness, said that he believed this was true. He also believed that psychological factors from Hasan's job as an army psychiatrist added to his pathos. The news that he would be deployed overseas, to a war that he rejected, may have pushed him over the edge.

    "But Richard does not excuse Hasan. As a Muslim, he finds Hasan's religious perspectives to be fundamentally misguided. And as a soldier, he finds Hasan's actions cowardly and evil."

    Fellow Muslims in the US armed forces have also been quick to denounce Hasan's actions and insist that they were the product of a lone individual rather than of Islamic teachings. Osman Danquah, the co-founder of the Islamic Community of Greater Killeen, said Hasan never expressed anger toward the army or indicated any plans for violence.

    But he said that, at their second meeting, Hasan seemed almost incoherent.

    "I told him, 'There's something wrong with you'. I didn't get the feeling he was talking for himself, but something just didn't seem right."

    He was sufficiently troubled that he recommended the centre reject Hasan's request to become a lay Muslim leader at Fort Hood.

    Hasan had, in fact, already come to the attention of the authorities before Thursday's massacre. He was suspected of being the author of internet postings that compared suicide bombers with soldiers who throw themselves on grenades to save others and had also reportedly been warned about proselytising to patients.

    At Fort Hood, he told a colleague, Col Terry Lee, that he believed Muslims should rise up against American "aggressors". He made no attempt to hide his desire to end his military service early or his mortification at the prospect of deployment to Afghanistan. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there," said his cousin, Nader Hasan.

    Yet away from his strident attacks on US foreign policy, he came across as subdued and reclusive – not hostile or threatening. Soldiers he counselled at the Walter Reed hospital in Washington praised him, while at Fort Hood, Kimberly Kesling, the deputy commander of clinical services, remarked: "Up to this point, I would consider him an asset."

    Relatives said that the death of Hasan's parents, in 1998 and 2001, turned him more devout. "After he lost his parents he tried to replace their love by reading a lot of books, including the Koran," his uncle Rafiq Hamad said.

    "He didn't have a girlfriend, he didn't dance, he didn't go to bars."

    His failed search for a wife seemed to haunt Hasan. At the Muslim Community Centre in the Washington suburb of Silver Spring, he signed up for an Islamic matchmaking service, specifying that he wanted a bride who wore the hijab and prayed five times a day.

    Adnan Haider, a retired professor of statistics, recalled how at their first meeting last year, a casual introduction after Friday prayers, Hasan immediately asked the academic if he knew "a nice Muslim girl" he could marry.

    "It was a strange thing to ask someone you have met two seconds before. It was clear to me he was under pressure, you could just see it in his face," said Prof Haider, 74, who used to work at Georgetown University in Washington. "You could see he was lonely and didn't have friends.

    "He is working with psychiatric people and I ask why the people around him didn't spot that something was wrong? When I heard what had happened I actually wasn't that surprised."

    Indeed, many of the characteristics attributed to Hasan by acquaintances – withdrawn, unassuming, brooding, socially awkward and never known to have had a girlfriend – have also applied to other mass murderers.

    Hasan was born and brought up in Virginia to parents who ran restaurants after emigrating to America from the West Bank. He graduated from Virginia Tech university – coincidentally, the scene of the worst mass shooting in US history in 2007 – with a degree in biochemistry and then joined the army, which trained him as a psychiatrist.

    Relatives said that he was subjected to increasingly ugly taunts about his religion and ethnicity from other soldiers after the September 11 attacks. But his uncle insisted yesterday that Hasan would not have been driven to mass murder by revenge or religion.

    Speaking in the West Bank town of al-Bireh, Mr Hamad said his nephew "loved America" and could only have been caused to snap by an as yet unexplained factor. "He always said there was no country in the world like America," he told The Sunday Telegraph. "Something big happened to him in Texas. If he did it – and until now I am in denial – it had to have been something huge because revenge was not in his nature."

    •Additional reporting by Adrian Blomfield in al-Bireh
  2. Rimfirejim

    Rimfirejim TS Member

    Sep 26, 2009
    And to think all this pretext occured under the previous administration ! Thanks bigdog for bringing it to lite . Thanx for the research . Jim
  3. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    And to think the current Whitehouse occupant will "stand by the Muslims", dismantling this country inch by inch, from within.

    This country will rue the day it elected hussein..
  4. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

    Aug 5, 2006
    Jim, it is, and has been, happening under our noses. In trying to be "politically correct" and not "hurt anyone's feelings", we are opening ourselves to more attacks. While we are at war with countries like Afghanistan and Iraq, we have to "on our toes" and watch for everything and everyone who could stab us in the back. Yes some civil rights will be removed for a while, but what of the rights of our soldiers to feel safe on base or in a foxhole?

    I don't have the answers, but we need to have a discussion and we need to be on guard here at home. We have let SO MANY come here and not become true AMERICANS, not hyphenated Americans, that in some instances we have no idea whom we can trust. Our elected leaders for the past 20 years have caved to this feel good BS from the 60's and look where we are; the ENEMY is within!!!
  5. Paladin

    Paladin Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Good luck with Jim, bigdogtex.

    Only a liberal would make a statement about Rush, saying; "Didn't this guy beat a drug rap a couple of years ago?"

    Then follow up with "How cme he ain't in jail?".
  6. crusha

    crusha TS Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    If this were a white person with connections to right-wing groups...this would be a "Hate Crime."
  7. dolphin62

    dolphin62 Member

    Aug 27, 2009
    oswego, new york
    we hear all about the killer...this that and the other.What about the bottom line.

    Many good americans died...no news media talks about those good people.we all know about ther life that killer led.

    It's almost insulting about how little we know about the poor people who died.

    We treat terrorist and murderers better than we treat our good people.
  8. pyrdek

    pyrdek Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    In regard to the Army Officer who attacked his fellow soldiers, anyone even vaguely familiar with the Chinese War Lord/General/Philosopher Sun Tzu and his writings, and those others who also contributed, would be quick to recognize this as being at least some, and probably several of Sun Tzu's maxims.

    Paraphrased, it would read something like use your enemies weaknesses against him. With our politically correct, "do not insult anyone" attitude, we, heaven forbid would not want to insult any follower of Islam, no matter how extreme.

    You could also use another, again paraphrased, you do best when you use your enemies resources to fight your fight.

    Some quotes from Sun Tzu
    "All war is based on deception. "

    "He who is prudent and lies in wait for an enemy who is not, will be victorious. "

    "If ignorant both of your enemy and yourself, you are certain to be in peril. "

    "It is essential to seek out enemy agents who have come to conduct espionage against you and to bribe them to serve you. Give them instructions and care for them. Thus doubled agents are recruited and used. "

    "Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance. "

    and one for Obama, "When envoys are sent with compliments in their mouths, it is a sign that the enemy wishes for a truce."

    "You can be sure of succeeding in your attacks if you only attack places which are undefended."

    "How victory may be produced for them out of the enemy's own tactics—that is what the multitude cannot comprehend."

    "Bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy. Thus the army will have food enough for its needs."

    "Hence a wise general makes a point of foraging on the enemy. One cartload of the enemy's provisions is equivalent to twenty of one's own, and likewise a single PICUL of his provender is equivalent to twenty from one's own store."

    "take advantage of the enemy's unreadiness, make your way by unexpected routes, and attack unguarded spots."

    "If the enemy leaves a door open, you must rush in."

    See any similarities?
  9. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Here's another comparison.

    "Bush or Obama: The Quiz
    By Randall Hoven

    1. President Bush was famous for lacking "intellectual curiosity", while President Obama has been called "the smartest guy ever to become President.." Which one reads more books, Bush or Obama?

    2. Bush was often considered to be in the grip of Big Oil. In contrast, Obama was a Harvard educated lawyer. Which industry contributed more than five times as much as the other to politicians: the oil & gas industry or lawyers/law firms?

    3. Bush's Christian faith was at the core of his political identity, and he was considered to be in the grip of the "religious right", while Obama is considered more open-minded. In fact, Obama has said, "my faith is one that admits some doubt." Which one refers to Jesus more in public speeches?

    4. Bush was criticized for excessive federal spending and running up huge deficits. Bush's deficit in 2008 was the largest in history. In fact, President Obama said,

    "It's a little hard for me to take criticism from folks about this recovery package after they've presided over a doubling of the national debt... What I won't do is return to the failed theories of the last eight years that got us into this fix in the first place."

    Whose deficit was more than triple the size of the other's: Bush's 2008 deficit or Obama's 2009 deficit?

    5. While Obama criticized Bush for "a doubling of the national debt", the federal debt held by the public went from 35.1% of GDP in 2000 to 40.8% of GDP in 2008 -- an increase of 16% as of fraction of GDP. What is it expected to be in 2016 under Obama's budget plan?

    6. Obama criticized Bush for Guantanamo, military tribunals, wiretaps, troops in Iraq and Afghanistan, and "signing statements". Which one of these Bush practices has Obama ended?


    1. Bush. Obama started reading a book in April and had not finished it by June, putting him on a pace of no more than 10 books per year. Bush read 40 to 95 books a year while President, plus reading the complete Bible every year. Bush scored 1206 on his SAT, putting his IQ in the 125-130 range, smarter than 95% of the population and in the company of Lincoln, Rousseau and Thackeray. He graduated from Yale and earned an MBA from Harvard. Obama earned a law degree from Harvard, but has not released any of his academic records. Despite what you might have heard, we know nothing of his IQ, test scores or grades from any of the schools he attended.

    2. Law firms. In the 2010 cycle so far, Lawyers/Law Firms have contributed $33,779,866 so far (81% to Democrats), and the Oil & Gas industry has contributed $6,293,631 (34% to Democrats). In the 2008 cycle, the numbers were $233,499,989 (76% to Dems) from lawyers and $35,564,322 (23% to Dems). In all, lawyers contributed about six times more to politicians than the Oil & Gas industry.

    3. Obama. Per Eamon Javers at Politico, "As president, Barack Obama has mentioned Jesus Christ in a number of high-profile public speeches -- something his predecessor George W. Bush rarely did in such settings."

    4. Obama's 2009 deficit, the largest in US history. It was more than three times that of Bush's record 2008 deficit. Per the Congressional Budget Office, the 2008 deficit was $455 B, and the 2009 deficit was $1,417 B. As a fraction of GDP, it was the largest deficit since 1945.

    5. The CBO expects the debt held by the public to be 77.1% of GDP in 2016 under Obama's plan, or an increase of 89% as a fraction of GDP, and the highest level since 1950.

    6. None.
    • Guantanamo is still open and probably will be into 2010 and maybe longer.
    • Obama is keeping military tribunals and clandestine wiretapping programs
    • Obama plans to keep most troops in Iraq until the summer of 2010. Even then, he is talking of keeping about 50,000 troops there (compared to about 124,000 now). The number of US troops in Afghanistan has increased from 37,000 in January 2009 to 62,000 by August 2009, and Obama is expected to send over 30,000 more. Total number of US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan has increased under Obama so far (from about 184,000 in January to 186,000 in September).
    • Obama has used signing statements himself

    Randall Hoven can be contacted at randall.hoven@gmail.com or via his web site, randallhoven.com. "
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