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looking at a y model 12

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by nailer123, Oct 12, 2009.

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  1. nailer123

    nailer123 TS Member

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    What is a fair price on a y model 12 in good shape say 95% wood and blueing.
    Or should i look fo a per 1964 dont know much about them just think i need one.
     
  2. Bluedotman

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    I saw a y model sell 1 week ago about 90% to 95% for $750.00. Dan.
     
  3. KEYBEAR

    KEYBEAR Active Member

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    A clean Y Model Trap 95% $850.00
     
  4. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    the Y model is a very good gun. I have had many and the price will vary on condition. The last one I sold was almost unfired with nice wood and sold for $1200 on GB. All model 12's appear to have softened in value recently ( like all guns)
     
  5. claybrdr

    claybrdr Well-Known Member

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    75% of a Pre-64? Resale value considerably less around here for a Y model.

    I'm a purist when it comes to Winchesters and wouldn't own one. They may be just as good or even superior metalurgically, but they are still a Y model.
     
  6. birdognorth

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    What is different about the Y model?
     
  7. eightbore

    eightbore Well-Known Member

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    A Y Model Trap in excellent condition should be purchased for less than $800. They are not of interest to collectors and are considered shooting guns only.
     
  8. dbcook

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    eightbore, i have a superpigeon trap that has a Y before the serial number & you can take it to the bank that this gun is quite collectible. dwain
     
  9. claybrdr

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    Its considered "collectable" by a far fewer population than a Pre-64.
     
  10. sliverbulletexpress

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    Guys in my neighborhood don't even consider a y being a model 12, you'll get an ear full if you refer to one as a model 12. LOL Trapshooters are funny.
     
  11. eightbore

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    The definition of a "Y Model 12" in popular use is a cast receiver Model 12. All post 1968 Model 12s have a Y prefix in the serial number but some are not what most people refer to as Y models and don't have cast receivers. The Super Pigeon mentioned by dbc61451 may have a Y prefix in the serial number, but is not what is normally referred to as a "Y Model". They are forged and milled receiver guns left over from earlier production and were built in the Custom Shop. Thanks for the reminder.
     
  12. 12Gagejon

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    wasn't the "Y" made in japan under Orlin's ownership of Winchester? Jon
     
  13. J.D. Squire

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    Hey i also here your lookin at a Puppy!ahahah had to do it Kirk
     
  14. Hitapair

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    Jon, No. The Jap M12's are the Browning production guns.
     
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    silver bullet is right!! but if you are gonna shoot it buy a Y heck you aimt never gonn a wear it out
     
  16. W.P.T.

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    I like my Model 12's, all Model 12's are great guns just that some are a little better than others ... I prefer the pre 64 Model's but if you are looking for a good shooter a "Y" Model is a good gun also ... There is a big difference in how smooth they are in just closing them, but they are still good shooters and usually have a lot nicer wood on them than the older ones ... I have had many to several Model 12's and the only ones I am holding onto are the pre 64's ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  17. Sky Buster

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    Not only did the M-12 y series have a investment cast receiver, many of the
    small parts were also investment cast. Remember, Winchester was trying to reduce the manufacturing cost of the gun. Is the Y series as good as a
    pre-64 Model 12? No! but that doesn't mean it isn't a good gun.
     
  18. Play Dead

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    When I started shooting in the mid 70's as a junior, I looked to all of the top guns in my area and they either shot Browning Superposed O/U's or Model 12's. Over the years I have owned four M12's, three Y models and one pre 64. I'm obviously in the minority here, but the three Y models I've owned all had much fancier wood and broke targets better than the pre-64. So the Y model is my preference and I wouldn't hesitate to buy one in good shape or for a good price.
    The wood on some of these factory standard guns would rival high grade wood in today's market. The Super X model Ones also had some great wood when first introduced in the late 70's.

    I often wondered if the Y models impact slightly higher than the pre-64's and this is the reason why I prefer them. I can tell you this, I've found no better choke in any gun than the Winchester Full that exist in the Model 12. Perhaps the pre-64's that are around all feel smoother because they've been used longer and have been shot harder. My well worn Y models are also very smooth in operation. I believe the balance of the Model 12 trap gun has spoiled my shotgun preference for all future purchases. I always look for that balanced feel when I am buying a new gun. Few guns can match the Model 12 in this regard.

    Play Dead
     
  19. oleolliedawg

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    Play dead is right on!!
     
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