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Look at it this way on Handicaps and Singles

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Dr.Longshot, Jun 30, 2010.

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  1. Dr.Longshot

    Dr.Longshot Banned Banned

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    From 1900 to 1977 thats 77 years of trapshooting, there were 10 100 straights
    3 from the 19 yard line-3 from the 20 yard line-2 from the 21 yard line-2 from the 23 yard line.

    In the next 31 years there were 20 100 straights, 7 from the 27 yard line-1 from the 26 yard line-2 from the 24 yard line-5 from the 22 yard line-2 from the 24 yard line-1 from the 20 yard line- 1 from the 19 yard line.

    4 from the 27 in the last 6 years

    28 99s in the first 77 years of trapshooting, and 7 were on the 19 yard line
    and 2 were on the 18 yard line- 7 were on the 20 yard line- 3 were on the 21 yard line- 4 were on the 22 yard line-2 were on the 23 yard line-1 on the 24 yard line.

    The next 32 years there were 11 99s and 21 100 strts from Hdcp.

    The last 32 years of hiugh scores are attributed to better trapguns, better shells, faster shells to 1250 Fps, Voice calls, and the most attributed to 2 hole targets.

    What would it be like if we went back to 1200 Fps shells and 3 hole targets?

    I think there would be a drop in number of high scores, and skill would be tested.

    This is a flashback on History of Handicap

    Nadine Ljutic was the first woman to break 200 Singles and she did it in 1972.
    There 12 women w/200 Strts since 1972 in singles.


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  2. 1oldtimer

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    Dr.longshot,So what is your point? In the early years,shooters shot under a thousand targets in a year. Its hard to compare scores when many shooters today shoot 1,000 per week. Should we go back to the caves?
     
  3. warpspeed

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    I have not been around for 77 years but it seems to me that the improvements in equipment & ammo may have something to do with the improvement in scores. no ?
     
  4. romie

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    The same case happened when the four minute mile was broken.Did the shoes do it......... Mental........maybe
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  5. GR Eubanks

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    I do not believe your numbers are correct. I found 11 100's from the 27 before 1969. Dan Orlich broke 6 before 1969.


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  6. ivanhoe

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    GR Eubanks

    "I do not believe your numbers are correct. I found 11 100's from the 27 before 1969. Dan Orlich broke 6 before 1969."

    Roger by the numbers he is using it would appear he is giving Grand records not records for all ATA events. He seem to forget details like that but that is what his numbers match.

    Some of the actual records are questionable any way. The HOF says the first 100 from 27 yards occurred in 1964. Yet the HOF also says Dan Orlich was the first person to complete a Grand Slam and it say he did it in 1962. If the first 100 from 27 wasn't shot until 64 how would Dan O get a grand slam 2 years earlier when a 100 is needed from the 27??????

    The records from what I am seeing are not exactly posted accurately. I am sure it is just an over site but still people have to ask themselves how this can be????

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  7. tom berry

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    Bob,

    The HOF website is inconsistent. One place it states the Dan O completed his Grand Slam on 7/30/1965 and another it says 7/30/1962.

    One of the pages is wrong.
     
  8. ivanhoe

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    Tom I don't doubt it one bit. I found the date I used under "Trapshooting Records"

    Again I am sure that the discrepancies are just over sites. From what I have seen there is an enormous amount of material to keep track of. They do however need to be address.

    Bob Lawless
     
  9. trapster100

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    Does the Grand Slam have to be a 100 from the 27 or a 100 at any yardage?
     
  10. grnberetcj

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    Any...under the present rules "caps is 'caps!!

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  11. Dr.Longshot

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    These scores are from the Grand American Program and they are winning Grand American Hdcp Scores.

    Look at page 71 of the Program to see what I mean.

    Dan Orlic never won the Grand American Handicap

    Gary Bryant
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    Trapster, it has to be from the 27.
     
  13. ivanhoe

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    This was taken from the HOF website,

    "A Grand Slam is achieved when a shooter completes the final discipline of the three shooting events - 200 straight in a 200-target Singles event, 100 straight in Handicap from the 27-yard mark and 100 straight in Doubles. The final event giving each shooter their Grand Slam is listed as: SGL, HD, DBL, for Singles, Handicap and Doubles respectively."

    It says the 100 in caps is from the 27.

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    missed some this is what it says about Iva Jarvis.

    1956 Iva Jarvis Phillipsburg, KS 197x200. I don't think I would bet to much, the information is posted on page 64 of the current Grand program in Womens Clay Target Champions.

    Bob Lawless
     
  15. ivanhoe

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    Mark you didn't specify what event you were referring to. I was just following the line of the original poster. By now I should know better than to do that.

    She sure has an impressive record she was/is one he!! of a shooter

    BTW it is misleading because she did win the Womens Clay Target Championship that year as well.

    Bob Lawless
     
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