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Loading new aa shells

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by nailer123, Apr 10, 2008.

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  1. nailer123

    nailer123 TS Member

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    I have some new aa i would like to reload . What do i have to change from the old ones .I havent loaded in a lot of years . I think my old load was 17 gr reddot and 1 1/8 once aa wad and win 209 .
     
  2. nipper

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    What i have found is make sure the pre crimp station is no bigger than what a pencil eraser will go thru and you should be fine with 17.0 of red dot.

    bill
     
  3. Pull & Mark

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    Don't forget to use the new wads for the HS 12ga. hulls. Winchester has changed there hull design and the newer HS hulls use a different wad than old ones that were interchangeable with the STS's. Look at Alliants or Hodgdon's website for your reloading needs. They are both very easy to use and are up to date with all components. Good Luck and Break-em all. Jeff
     
  4. tcr1146

    tcr1146 Well-Known Member

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    Would you care to enlighten me on what this "new" wad is Pull & Mark?! Tom Rhoads
     
  5. grunt

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    claybuster wads have new AA wad that has a radius on the skirt of the wad to allow it to be seated in the hull without catching on the hull insert.
     
  6. claybrdr

    claybrdr Well-Known Member

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    I load the new and old AA 12 ga hulls interchangeably with the "old" wads. I see no performance difference either in patterns or in velocity. Frankly, I didn't even know Winchester bothered to come out with a special wad for the 12 ga hulls as they have for the 28 and 410s.
     
  7. tcr1146

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    Still waiting for p&m to enlighten me! Tom Rhoads
     
  8. BDodd

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    Sir Tom, the newer AA wads and I assume CB clones are tapered at the over powder end just a bit to facilitate passing over the HS AA 2 piece hull's base wad which forms a hint of a shoulder. Some folks had a lot of misery crushing wads, deforming hulls, and having crimp problems until the wads were changed too. MEC also came out with ideas to adjust their loaders for the same new hull-old wad concerns. Others, like claybrdr above, had no problems with their gear using the older wads in the new HS hulls. I was in the former group and switched to the STS hulls because of it so I have no personal knowledge one way or the other now....breakemall....Bob Dodd
     
  9. Quack Shot

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    The newer wads have three or four small and shallow lengthwise grooves in the over powder cup's outer diameter as well as a slight chamfer on the lower edge. I believe that the grooves help air bypass the wad and basewad during the loading process.

    I little extra wad pressure and a slightly lower adjustment of the precrimp die will help to resolve most issues. Seating the wads a bit more slowly may help as well.
     
  10. Pull & Mark

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    Tom, I can't put it much better than Bob has. Alot of loaders, I know had problems with them in the first few months, as did I.
    2str8, I think that Win. came out with the new HS hulls about 3 1/2,--- maybe 4 years ago now. Yes, the new Win. HS hulls are now 2 piece. Break-em all. Jeff
     
  11. miketmx

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    I have been using the Western orange WT12 wads without a problem on my P/W 900 ever since the new AA hulls came out. I use the pink WAA12SL wads for 1 oz loads. I'm not a fan of CB wads.
     
  12. Capt. Morgan

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    I've used both Figure 8 and Windjammer wads in literally thousands of new AA hulls and have yet to experience a hang-up or a crushed wad.

    Morgan
     
  13. phirel

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    I had to back off my crimp starter and final crimp depth about one half turn to load the new AA hulls. They work fine for me. The AA wads were changed to prevent air from getting trapped between the wad and the powder when the wad was seated.

    Pat Ireland
     
  14. leadspreader

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    the best way to reload new aa hulls is to throw them in your trash and load sts or federal gm!
     
  15. Jon Reitz

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    Pat Ireland,
    Please send me an e-mail concerning how you load these newer gray AA hulls. I actually like the hulls. I use a MEC 9000G and sometimes have trouble crushing these hulls, or I don't get a good crimp. Been thru all the stations, followed the book, talked to MEC, etc. Just can't semm to nail it down. Ideally I would then like to leave the loader configured to also load my Remington hulls interchangeably in 1-1/8 oz. if possible.

    Thanks,
    Jon Reitz
     
  16. Capt. Morgan

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    Jon,

    AA hulls are made of a soft low-density polyethylene and it gets softer with each heat cycle. I know several people who have given up trying to load them on Mecs because of the problem you describe. I use a P-W and the full length dies that contain the hull during loading completely eliminate any tendency of the hull to crush or buckle when it's closed.

    Morgan
     
  17. leadspreader

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    I load on a mec and my dad loads on a mec I cant get them to stop buckling at the taller base wad. older aa's are fine . my dad on the other hand has no trouble. he told me to increase the wad pressure to see if it seats the wad past the base.did not help so i reduced it back to 0 wad pressure and gave him all my aa's. try the wad pressure thing it may work for you but dont exceed 20-30 lbs of wad pressure.
     
  18. shot410ga

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    I think I have tried everything in AA hulls (old and new) and have found the AA wad works the best. The worst are the CB's. To many folded petals and cocked insertation problems.
     
  19. nipper

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    i load new and old aa red,gray,silver on a pw 2000 and dont see any of these issues.

    bill
     
  20. thunder

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    When I had trouble with the new AA buckling on my Mec 9000H, I did the following. I raised the crimp cup higher, raised the seat die slightly higher and then then adjusted the roll crimp up slightly, it solved the problem. If you don't correct the roll crimp also you can possibly get a slight buckle in them. It a little trial a error test but once set I could reload new AA, old AA, STS, Gun Clubs without any other adjustments. I like the new AA better then reloading the STS now.

    Good Luck
    Andy
     
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