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Libya-whats goin on?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigk, Mar 20, 2011.

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  1. bigk

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    tHERE IS NO LONGER ANY PAGE THERE. But to answer your question it is a prelim to a full scale invasion of Libia. Gadaffi is standing in the way of us getting all that nice oil for nothing and that just wouldnt do. Gadaffi is one dictator who does not bow down to Al Qaeda, he was the first leader to issue an Interpol warrent for Bin ladin in 1998.He was blocked down by MI6 IN england and the CIA. But then Bin ladin was the golden boy at that time.Bin Ladin was the leader of a group of Al Qaeda who attempted to assassinate Gidaffi in 1996 and who were paid 100,000 dollars by M16 and the CIA.
    Those so called "innocent rebels", with jets and tanks, which our children are now protecting with a no fly zone, are a bunch of Islamic fundamentalists who want to form an Islamic state. That would give us a better excuse to invade properly i a year or two and then all that lovely oil would be ours. But at what cost?.How many body bags?.How many amputated lims?.How many wrecked homes?.How many children growing up without a father?.The Irac farce has been shown for what it was,this is just another method,"we are not going in after WMD but as a humaniterian force.
    This country is already wrecked by the greed of a few,how much worse does it have to get before we open our eyes and realise that Obummer and his crew do not give a shit for the ordinary man on the street. The Banksters and the corperations will just get richer and your and my taxes will get bigger.
    Isnt it great to be part of such a noble race?.

    K
     
  2. Hawk46

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    K, you can paint Kadhafi as a noble man if you wish but IMO he's just another scumbag sand rat dictator who plays politics when it's convenient for him to do so.

    One can argue whether or not we should have even limited involvement there, but if they drop a cruise missile on his goofy hat I don't think the world's going to miss the Lockerbee Lech.

    The families of the American servicemen he killed in the Berlin bombing will miss him even less.

    Dave
     
  3. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    bigk:

    You really think, "Gadaffi is standing in the way of us getting all that nice (Libyan) oil for nothing...?" Do you really??

    Depending on whose numbers you believe, Kuwait is the third largest Opec producer. They claim reserves of 104 billion barrels. If 'free' oil was the goal of U.S. military action, we missed a golden opportunity in March of 1991 after we kicked Saddam Hussein's sorry ass out of Kuwait. As you know or should know, the U.S. didn't take any 'free' oil from Kuwait.

    Iraq has confirmed oil reserves of 143 billion barrels. Iraq's total reserves are estimated at 350 billion barrels. If 'free' oil was the goal of U.S. military action we've missed ANOTHER golden opportunity during the current war in Iraq. As you know or should know, the U.S. hasn't taken 'free' oil for domestic consumption from Iraq either.

    Libya is the largest African oil producer and #9 in the world. With reserves of 41.5 billion barrels, Libya's biggest attraction is it's proximity to European markets. Do you really think it's Libya's oil were after? Really??
    Based on what?

    I'm not assuming anything about your motives but in my limited experience 'free' oil - as a critisism of U.S. military action is normally spouted by socialists, miscellaneous bed wetters, and tree huggers. What these dipshlts all have in common is a lust to impose THEIR values onto everyone else. That point aside, the United States actions in Kuwait and Iraq are fairly compelling evidence your 'free oil' contention is bullshlt.

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  4. shannon391

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    I guess we are no longer into middle easterns killing their own. Where were we in Darfur or Rwanda?
     
  5. Hawk46

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    Well stated sissy.

    Dave
     
  6. Recoil Sissy

    Recoil Sissy Well-Known Member

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    shannon:

    Check your private messages.

    Thanks!

    sissy
     
  7. shelly

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    sissy, do ya mean that we didn't invade Iraq to get free oil? That's a really big disappointment, but it's all Bush's fault. President Oblubber loves oil and will surely get us all we want- remember "hope and change".
     
  8. Hawk46

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    Well, I'm not sure how well this rebellion is going to go. Turns out the jet the rebels shot down yesterday was one of their own - a Kadhafi defector that had the new Liberation flag painted on its tail. Oops! LOL
     
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    Don't make too much of a joke about friendly fire.....the Americans, I believe hold records of sorts, involving it.
     
  10. halfmile

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    True, the French don't have to worry about friendly fire:

    For Sale: French army rifle, never fired, dropped once.

    HM
     
  11. bigk

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    Hawk and pissy I must conceed to your superior knowledge in all this but if either of you two dipshits had bothered to read what I wrote or even the question asked by Tinman then you would conclude that far from trying to portray Gadaffi as some sort of hero I gave him his rightful title DICTATOR. Maybe in your blinkered minds you consider dictators as noble,I dont.
    Next time you sit around your campfire chewing tobacco and farting try and figure out the answer to the original question. If you come to the conclusion that it is for HUMANITERIAN reasons that the US.UK and the Frogs are now bombing everything below them to help the Libians then I'm afraid for you both.

    China and Russia both slaughter their civilians as does most of the African dictators.Who will we illegally attack next?. Well rule out the first two because we hav'nt got the balls. Maybe you two heros will join up again and then we might head for Moscow with a much better chance of success.Horahaaaaa.
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  12. Hawk46

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    Hey K, it's your premise that we're setting up Libya for a full scale invasion to steal their oil that's way out there.

    As far as Russia goes, Patton wanted to do in those scumbags when Germany was surrendering. As far as I'm concerned he had it right. If I'd been old enough at the time, I'd have followed him in.

    China's people may revolt again someday in the future, we'll see, but it will likely be after my time. Governments that are inhumane to the population fall eventually.

    "Dipshit?". It really hurts my feelings when one side of a debate feels desperate enough that they need to resort to name-calling.

    Chewing a small plug of tobacco and farting around a campfire on a warm summer night can feel pretty good. You should give it a try, but take a change of underwear and be careful, since it sounds like you may be packin' a load that's tryin' to get out.

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  13. Baron23

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    110 Tomahawk cruise missiles fired the first night, at an average cost estimated to be about $900K. So we got $100M dollars spent, on JUST THE MISSLES alone, on a place I don't give a crap about.

    We have Gadaffiand on one hand, and absolutely no idea who/what the alternative will be on the other hand.

    Its a civil war, plain and simple, and we are now in the middle of it.

    I do remember Viet Nam...first hand....and am continually stunned at the short memories of those who should know better.

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  14. shelly

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    I'm with you baron, it's easy to predict how this will go. No matter what we do we'll end up being the bad guy since our "partners" will all go away after a week or so. Already the Arab League is criticizing us for killing all those poor civilians. Even Putin is spouting off about us being "crusaders".

    Once, we eliminate Quadaffy, we will then be obligated to rebuild the country to the tune of untold billions of Chinese dollars just like we did in Iraq. In the end, the place will probably end up run by Al Quida anyway. We could have easily armed the rebels if we wanted to help them- attacking Lybia ourselves was as unnecessary as it was dumb. Even a loser like Obummer should have known better- certainly Congress did but he didn't bother informing them until it was too late.

    What the hell, at least the Red Chinese will come out of this very well. Let's all buy lots of Chinese products to pay them back for financing this war- LOL
     
  15. bigk

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    The Brits got kicked out years ago and their masters now want back in to steal everything that is left. Those same imperalist scum are equally as strong in the US as they ever were in England.Obummer,Clinton,Cheney and crew are in it eyes and ears to feather their own nests.They will do anything to steal whatever they want and dont give too hoots for the suffering left in their wake.It is time the people took back the country that was so hard fought for.The Brits got kicked out once before,it is time people woke up and see what these same scum are still trying to do.Both in the US and Libia.

    Didnt mean to hurt anyones feelings.

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  16. Hawk46

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    K, it IS time for us to take back our country that's for sure.

    This do nothing Obamanation is undoubtedly the wost in the history of the country. Spending at record levels, refusing to cut back by cutting the budget, siding with Mexico against Arizona while offering NOTHING in the way of an immigration reform bill, critcizing King's investigation into the radicalization of Muslims in America, sticking their noses in Wisconsin's and other state's businesses where they are trying sincerely to satisfy taxpayers by balancing their budgets, condoning and encouraging the sale of guns to the drug cartels in Mexico - it goes on and on. Yet over 90% of Democrats feel he is doing a good job.

    What god-forsaken planet are these entitlement-minded Dems living on?

    We can only continue to be vocal, vote, and hope that enough independents vote to put the Republicans back in; and THEN we have to make sure that the GOP steps up to represent us like they need to. The future of this country has never been so close to a total meltdown.

    Dave
     
  17. shelly

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    bigk, you left off Bush, the biggest impearlist warmonger of them all according to the looney left. Yep, he and his impearilist buddies, Bummer, Clinton and Cheney invaded Iraq to steal it from it's rightful owners and steal all the oil. Now, we own Iraq and have all the free oil we can use- life is good.

    IT'S ALL BUSH'S FAULT !!!!!
     
  18. birdogs

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    It was supposed to be the imposition of a "no fly zone" so how come one of the first things they attacked was an armored collumn?

    I am certainly no fan of Kaddaffi but is he not expected to defend himself and his government? Do WE have to approve of the weapons he is permitted to use?

    Suppose there was an armed insurrection in Dearborn bu you-know-who. Would the US government be limited in the weapons it could use to put it down or contain it by the weapons that the insurgents had?

    This is absurd. We are picking winners and that ALWAYS comes back to bite us. If they prevail, the insurrgents will not be at all grateful because we did not help enough and if they lose the winner will hate us for not backing them. Where is the benefit TO US?
     
  19. shelly

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    damn, birdogs, you hit the nail squarely on the head: no matter who wins, somebody will want to crap on us. We just never learn that getting involved in other's civil wars is a lose-lose situation for us.

    I don't get our policy that we will only enforce a no-fly zone to protect civilians. Just who in the hell are the rebels if they aren't civilians? While I don't think we should have attacked Lybia, now that we're there we shouldn't act like Obummer wimps. Either kick ass and take names or leave so the frogs can do the job just like they did in WWII.
     
  20. Recoil Sissy

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    Ladies and gentlemen:

    We either have a new site simpleton or gargoyle has recycled his ignorant self.
     
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