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Liberals Want Healthcare for Illegals

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Sep 28, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Well looks like the dems don't want to listen to the people....


    Posted September 28, 2009 01:40 AM
    From the Washington Times:

    Fearful that they're losing ground on immigration and health care, a group of House Democrats is pushing back and arguing that any health care bill should extend to all legal immigrants and allow illegal immigrants some access.

    The Democrats, trying to stiffen their party's spines on the contentious issue, say it's unfair to bar illegal immigrants from paying their own way in a government-sponsored exchange. Legal immigrants, they say, regardless of how long they've been in the United States, should be able to get government-subsidized health care if they meet the other eligibility requirements.

    "Legal permanent residents should be able to purchase their plans, and they should also be eligible for subsidies if they need it. Undocumented, if they can afford it, should be able to buy their own private plans. It keeps them out of the emergency room," said Rep. Michael M. Honda, California Democrat and chairman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus.

    Mr. Honda was joined by more than 20 of his colleagues in two letters laying out the demands.

    Coverage for immigrants is one of the thorniest issues in the health care debate, and one many Democratic leaders would like to avoid. But immigrant rights groups and the Democrats who sent the letters say they have to take a stand now.

    President Obama has said he does not want health care proposals to cover illegal immigrants. The bill drawn up by Sen. Max Baucus, Montana Democrat and chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, excludes illegal immigrants from his proposed health care exchange.

    Mr. Honda and his allies, though, say illegal immigrants should be allowed to pay for insurance if they can afford it, even if it comes through a government-established exchange. As a generally young, healthy part of the population, illegal immigrants could help reduce overall costs for those who buy into health exchange plans, the lawmakers said.

    The Democrats' letters, however, do not issue ultimatums or threaten to withhold support for the bills if their requests aren't met.

    The National Council of La Raza launched its own "flood their voice mail" campaign last week to put pressure on Mr. Baucus to expand coverage in his proposal to include all legal immigrants and to drop verification language in the legislation that would prevent illegal immigrants from obtaining coverage.

    Mr. Honda told The Washington Times that he's not pushing for illegal immigrants to gain access to taxpayer-subsidized benefits. "That's an argument that's been done already," he said.

    Rep. Steve King, Iowa Republican, said proposals that include government coverage for illegal immigrants leave him incredulous.

    "If anybody can, with a straight face, advocate that we should provide health insurance for people who broke into our country, broke our law and for the most part are criminals, I don't know where they ever would draw the line," he said.

    Mr. King, who opposes Democrats' health care plans in general, said illegal immigrant access in legislation "would be a poison pill that would cause health care to go down" to defeat.

    Twenty-nine Democrats signed on to the letter on legal immigrants, while 21 signed the letter on covering illegal immigrants. Although the leadership of the Congressional Black Caucus signed the legal-immigrant letter in their capacity as CBC officials, they signed the other letter as individual members of Congress.

    Under the 1996 welfare law overhaul, Congress restricted most federal benefits to longtime holders of green cards - those who have been in the country at least five years.

    But Democrats chipped away at that rule when they reauthorized the State Children's Health Insurance Program earlier this year and allowed states to cover all immigrant children and pregnant women, regardless of how long they've been in the country.

    In their letter, the Democrats said health care costs are much lower for legal immigrants than for native citizens.

    "Immigrants are part of our families, our communities, our economy, and contribute to the fabric of America," they wrote. "It is simply wrong that their taxes would pay for public health insurance programs to which they are not allowed access."
     
  2. crusha

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    Keep f'ing around, boys...you could lose this thing yet.
     
  3. Bisi

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    Social Security is going to pay out more than it takes in this year. That is happening 9 to 10 years sooner than projected. The new federal budget year starts Sept 1, and the shortfall for fiscal year 09 is somewhere between 1.5 to 2 Trillion dollars. Oh yeah, lets cut the illegals in on "free" health care.

    The dollar will be worthless before long. Grandma will starve to death before Obamacare can get around to pulling the plug on her.

    The part of the story I liked above was - "As a generally young, healthy part of the population, illegal immigrants could help reduce overall costs for those who buy into health exchange plans, the lawmakers said." Gee getting drunk, smoking cigarettes, and crack, crashing pickup trucks, bar fights, VD, impregenating 3 or 4 or more, drive by shootings, is healthy activities??? Damn I have been doing everything wrong, no wonder my health insurance is so high.
     
  4. tom-n8ies

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    The main lib said "Illegals will not recieve coverage".

    I think the democrats are pathetic, they want the illegal vote so bad (once they make them legal with immigration reform) they will do anything to get it.

    tom
     
  5. dolphin62

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    How about this...let all the illegals and immagrints live in the neighborhoods as the law makers in washington. the can can do all there liberal activities such as rape, robbing, murder in there living area's.

    Then when there done they can go to the medical clinics and get there coverage.

    If they love these dead beat people ....let them live with them and get there vote,
     
  6. birdogs

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    I am against those current healthcare reforms being suggested. However, stop and think for a moment. Illegal immigrants can go to an emergency room and get FREE healthcare right now. Except that while is is free to them, the American taxpayers are footing the bill.

    Suppose we require that illegal immigrants PAY for health insurance. Then they could no longer receive free healthcare at emergency rooms. This is a good reform but the Dems will change this into something different which will keep these people on the dole and on the Democrat plantation.

    Look for government subsidies and grants to pay for these premiums. Then we are back to taxpayer funding for illegal immigrant healthcare just like we are now. That shoe is yet to drop.
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    Looks like "YOU LIE!" is vindicated!
     
  8. highflyer

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    I know how to solve the problem with illegals and health care. SEND THEM HOME. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED ILLEGAL. I wish they would put me in charge for 1 month. I would jail the employers that hire them, no excuses. Then they would all willingly go home. Problem solved. Unemployment problem solved too. Health care would also be much cheaper as would auto insurance. The politicians don't want to solve the problem. We have lost control of our government. We are being governed by fools.
     
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    Remember that healthcare is also beneficial to the Demonocrates if illegals get coverage they guarantee 20 or so million new voters for them.
     
  10. stokinpls

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    Guess I'll send another $50 to Joe WIlson in DAhaub's name.
     
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    Yeah "the main lib has said illegals won't get health care"........until he grants them legal status with the stroke of his pen. BINGO.....20 million new
    democratic voters, 2 million new landscape companies, 1 million new chop shops, a couple million new gang members AND best of all.....no new doctors to treat all these freeloaders.
     
  12. Paladin

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    Today's headlines;

    "Legal experts say president's proposal to require everyone buy health insurance is flatly unconstitutional"


    "Senate Panel Defeats Gov't-Run Healtchare Option"


    "Obama's Health Care 'Horror Story' Inaccurate"



    "ACORN May Face Voter Fraud Trial"



    How do you liberals like him now???
     
  13. grunt

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    Its about time someone is saying this crap is unconstitutional. Everything Obamas trying to do is unconstitutional in my opinion. Dave
     
  14. stokinpls

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    "Charlatan-in-Chief
    The core of Obama’s medical-care plan is the promise of something for nothing.

    By Thomas Sowell

    ‘Hubris-laden charlatans” was the way a recent e-mail from a reader characterized the Obama administration. That phrase seems especially appropriate for the Charlatan-in-Chief, Barack Obama, whose speech to the joint session of Congress was both a masterpiece of rhetoric and a shameless fraud.

    To tell us, with a straight face, that he can insure millions more people without adding to the already skyrocketing deficit is world-class chutzpah and an insult to anyone’s intelligence. To do so after an analysis by the Congressional Budget Office has already showed this to be impossible reveals the depths of moral bankruptcy behind the glittering words.

    Did we really need CBO experts to tell us that there is no free lunch? Some people probably did, and the true believers in the Obama cult may still believe the president, instead of believing either common sense or budget experts.

    Even those who can believe that Obama can conjure up the money through eliminating “waste, fraud, and abuse” should ask themselves where he is going to conjure up the additional doctors, nurses, and hospitals needed to take care of millions more patients.

    If he can’t pull off that miracle, then government-run medical care in the United States can be expected to produce what government-run medical care in Canada, Britain, and other countries has produced — delays of weeks or months to get many treatments, not to mention arbitrary rationing decisions by bureaucrats.

    Obama can deny it in words, but what matters is deeds. And no one’s words have been more repeatedly the direct opposite of his deeds — whether the issue is how his election campaign would be financed, how he would not rush legislation through Congress, or how his administration was not going to go after CIA agents for their past efforts to extract information from captured terrorists.

    President Obama has also declared emphatically that he will not interfere in the internal affairs of other nations — while telling the Israelis where they can and cannot build settlements and telling the Hondurans whom they should and should not choose to be their president.

    One of the secrets of being a glib talker is not getting hung up over whether what you are saying is true. You must give your full attention to what is required by the audience and the circumstances of the moment, without letting facts get in your way and cramp your style. Obama has mastered that art.

    Con men understand that their job is not to use facts to convince skeptics but to use words to help the gullible believe what they want to believe. No message has been more welcomed by the gullible, in countries around the world, than the promise of something for nothing. That is the core of Barack Obama’s medical-care plan.

    President Obama tells us that he will impose various mandates on insurance companies but will not interfere with our free choice between being insured by these companies or by the government. But if he can drive up the cost of private insurance with mandates and subsidize government insurance with the taxpayers’ money, how long do you think it will be before we have the “single payer” system that he has advocated in the past?

    Mandates by politicians are what have driven up the cost of insurance already. Politicians love to play Santa Claus and leave it to others to raise prices to cover the inevitable costs.

    Politicians have driven privately owned municipal transit systems out of business in many cities, simply by imposing costs and restricting the fare increases needed to cover those costs. The federal government can drive out private insurance the same way that local politicians have driven out private municipal transit and replaced it with government-run transit systems.

    Barack Obama’s insistence that various dangerous policies are not in the legislation he proposes sounds good but means nothing. Unbridled power is a blank check, no matter what its rationale may be. No law gave the president of the United States the power to fire the head of General Motors, but TARP money did.

    When there are “advisory” panels on what treatments to approve and the White House’s existing medical advisor has complained of Americans’ “over-utilization” of medical care, what does it take to connect the dots?

    — Thomas Sowell is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. © 2009 Creators Syndicate, Inc.
     
  15. bigdogtx

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    Today's headlines;

    "Legal experts say president's proposal to require everyone buy health insurance is flatly unconstitutional"

    "Senate Panel Defeats Gov't-Run Healtchare Option"

    "Obama's Health Care 'Horror Story' Inaccurate"


    "ACORN May Face Voter Fraud Trial"


    WWOOOOOOO,,,,I am getting a chill up my leg,,,,It must be Hope....:D :D :D
     
  16. Fathawk

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    Feeling kinda good, considering most of the BS in those headlines is just that.


    Here it comes.....wait for it....


    Call me names and insult my intelligence or age, that gets everyone on your side AND shows your intelligence.

    Go worship at the altar of Beck, where you belong.
     
  17. tom-n8ies

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    Nice cast Fat but you are using the wrong bait.

    tom
     
  18. bigdogtx

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    Fat,,,,you might do well to expand your intelligence to watch Fox or listen to conservative talk radio a little bit,,,,you might not hate America so much....
     
  19. daddiooo

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    Fatchick,

    Where do you go,(TV channel, newspaper, news website, etc) for your brand of "truth"? You seem so informed on the inner workings of the inbred party
    that controls both house and senate.(and still can't pass anything) Granted, there's plenty of blame to go around for our current situation but apparently there's no sunlight or sound where you keep your head.

    As for worshipping at the alter of Beck, not happening here. He's just one of many pointing out what the criminals (Obama, Barney Frank, Cris Dodd, Chuck Schumer, Nazi Pelosi, Harry Reed, Charlie Rangel)in the demonic party are doing on a daily basis to mislead all voters and continue their self serving, pork barrel empire building.

    I would have included Al Franken in the list of criminals but he's so dumb he couldn't find his own butt with both hands and a search warrant.


    PS: Sure hope you get the Chicago olympics and all the crime that goes with it.
     
  20. Paladin

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    Fathawk wrote, "Feeling kinda good, considering most of the BS in those headlines is just that."


    Feel free to discredit or expose the "BS" in the articles from actual headlines of that day.


    Your problem is that you can't. If you truly had any "intelligence", you would have attempted some lame response, instead of using the typical liberal "BS" line.



    Go to a liberal idiot website, where you would fit in perfectly well, instead of telling lies here.


    And by the way, the contents of the first post are spelled out for you. Feel free to comment on it.
     
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