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Liberal Explanation For September 11

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Bushmaster1313, Apr 23, 2009.

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  1. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    With all the flap about waterboarding, you would think the liberals believe that the terrorists flew planes full of passengers into our buildings to punish us in advance for torturing the animals who planned this unspeakable carnage.

    I watched the towers burn and fall. It was horrible and I was several miles away.

    3,000 forever silent victims, and the friends and family who miss them dearly, could tell you what torture really means.

    Lou
     
  2. Bruce Specht

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    Gentelma, we can only hope that we are not attacked again with our new leadership
     
  3. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Bruce, how much do you want to bet we are attacked again? Just a matter of time. Bulge
     
  4. H82MIS

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    Jay has been Zapped,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
     
  5. Trappy12

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    ctreay, please don't tell me you are one of those who believe that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. President Bush took advantage of the vulnerable state of the American public, due to fear from the attacks, to push forth his own personal agenda. Bush is not a dumb man, as many people like to believe, he knows when and where to take advantage of the people he serves to get what he wants. Definitely, intelligent. Afghanistan is where we should be, and where we should have always been. I would argue that if Mr. Bush didn't get us into Iraq, Bin Ladin would have been captured by now. Luckily, the President is in full support of Afghanistan, and is putting troops back where they belong, fighting against those who truly want to do harm to us.
    -Trappy
     
  6. stokinpls

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    "ctreay seems to have forgotten that NONE of the 9/11 terrorists were Iraqis. Nearly all were Bush's buddies----Saudis."

    Yeah, and Hitler was Austrian but we didn't spend much time killing nazis in that country. A communist from Nicarauga isn't much different than one from Cuba when it comes to their opinion of the United States. Using your moronic logic, were we supposed to attack Saudi Arabia? Were the hijackers even Al Queda? Taliban?

    "fighting against those who truly want to do harm to us." ?

    You mean harm like Nick Berg was subjected to or were you afraid to watch the tape? I guess we were supposed to sit around while some lunatic tried to figure out how to use 550 tons of yellow cake. "Oooooo Iraq wasn't even a threat to us - bring our troops home." Yeah and pick up the ones in Bosnia when you swing by. And speaking of threats, how can a bunch of goat herders with AKs and RPGs 10,000 miles away be considered a threat? What sort of threat has Bin Laden been since 2001? If Bin laden is even alive and gets captured what do we gain? The goofball hasn't been able to do anything but make an audio tape or two for 8 years. Using you libs' logic, since he wasn't in the airplanes he shouldn't even be held responsible for 911. Probably your "buddies", the ACLU will get him off if he ever comes to trial anyway.
     
  7. halfmile

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    flincher has been in the catnip again.

    Hussein was an animal as were his sons. I have mixed emotions about the whole affair, but a miracle was accomplished in Iraq whether it was right or wrong.

    A representative democracy with real elections was created. No where else in all the Muslim world does such a thing exist.

    That has to be worth a hell of a lot. Our present leader is about to erase all the gains for freedom that were made there.

    think for a minute about what would happen in Iran if the people got a taste of REAL freedom from their neighbors.

    HM
     
  8. Jerbear

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    Those that didn't get the daily threat assessments , don't have a leg to stand on in this argument. I didn't, therefore I need to trust that he was doing the right thing to keep us safe. I do think we will be attacked again, where or when, I don't know.

    From what I have seen with this administration, it seems they don't care. It's all smoke and mirrors to keep us away from the real issues. Socialism. Everyone on his staff has had some sort of money problems, that tells me they can't run the country if they can't run their own lives.

    Obama has put more miles on Air Force One in less than 100 days then Bush did in his first term. Global warming? Park the plane... Budget deficit? Park the plane... It seems he has a brand new toy and wants to play with it all the time.

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  9. Model Number 12

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    What Russ25Trap says.
     
  10. The Rock

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    Bruce Specht

    "new"leadership? What leadership? Could not find his ass with both hands(without the teleprompter of course).

    Rock

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  11. JBrooks

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    "Those Kurds died years earlier from the gas WE provided Saddam"

    flincher, you are an absolute lying SOB.
     
  12. Paladin

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    flincher wrote "By the way---NO WMD's have EVER been found in Iraq."

    You don't know much, flincher.

    Mash on the link.


    "The last major remnant of Saddam Hussein's nuclear program — a huge stockpile of concentrated natural uranium — reached a Canadian port Saturday to complete a secret U.S. operation that included a two-week airlift from Baghdad and a ship voyage crossing two oceans."


    "While yellowcake alone is not considered potent enough for a so-called "dirty bomb" — a conventional explosive that disperses radioactive material — it could stir widespread panic if incorporated in a blast. Yellowcake also can be enriched for use in reactors and, at higher levels, nuclear weapons using sophisticated equipment."


    "The uranium issue is not a trivial one, because Iraq, sitting on vast oil reserves, has no peaceful need for nuclear power. Saddam Hussein had already invaded Kuwait, launched missiles into Israeli cities, and harbored a terrorist group, the PKK, hostile to America's NATO ally, Turkey."
     
  13. Paladin

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    Then mash on this link;

    "Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent."


    The best thing for you to do, flincher, is keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
     
  14. ivanhoe

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    "ctreay, please don't tell me you are one of those who believe that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. President Bush took advantage of the vulnerable state of the American public, due to fear from the attacks, to push forth his own personal agenda."

    Just a couple of thing about these statements. You seem to feel that Bush started the Iraq war for his own personal agenda. Well that doesn't speak well for all the Democrats you know the ones that are now telling us they will change this country for the better. They all voted to invade Iraq whether they had anything to do with 9-11 or not. They voted for Dubya's personal agenda doesn't speak well of they foresight and knowledge of the world situation at the time does it.

    Another interesting thing is you say "President Bush took advantage of the vulnerable state of the American public, due to fear from the attacks" you know this how? You were what 9 or 10 years old at the time. So I would say it is safe to say you are repeating what you heard.

    You also said.

    " Afghanistan is where we should be, and where we should have always been. I would argue that if Mr. Bush didn't get us into Iraq, Bin Ladin would have been captured by now."

    Well the interesting thing about that is Bin Ladin is not from Afghanistan so using you're and flincher's logic we would have had no business invading Afghanistan.

    Also Canada Great Britain have troops over there they are not American. Why is this being allow? Using the rule of engagement that flincher and now you are saying is the right way.

    Finally I don't remember the war being declared against Iraq, I remember it being declared against terrorism so if they are terrorist I don't understand what difference it makes what country they come from.

    BTW if what you say is true "President Bush took advantage of the vulnerable state of the American public, due to fear from the attacks"(thats IF it is true)what did the President before Dubya do to change that fear? Very easy to answer nothing he was to busy playing sex games with Cigars.

    Bob Lawless
     
  15. Trappy12

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    ivanhoe, yes I was young, but that doesn't mean I don't remember it well. I remember every single event of that day, and it would be hard not to based on everything that did happen. And everyone was afraid, not just the public, congress was afraid, and I'm sure Bush was as well. In fear, people are willing to do many more drastic things. An example of this would be today with the economy, people are willing to move towards a more regulated economy because we are scared, but after the recession passes things will go back to less regulation. Same deal with the Patriot Act. I am not condoning the Democrats who did vote to go to Iraq, and I know almost all of them regret that decision as well, but I understand why people reacted that way.

    As for Afghanistan, well it does sound a lot like Austria trying to go into Serbia, but since Afghanistan has zero power, there wasn't much they could do. Besides, the taliban needed to go anyway. They were the real terrorists, not Sadam, no matter how terrible he really was.

    Uhm, I hope I covered everything there, if I didn't I don't mind a followup question.
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  16. Jerbear

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    Oh pray tel little one, do you really think Pelosi will give up her power after the economy comes back? Hell, they won't let the economy come back. The only way to keep sheeple down is by keeping more of their money. Obama wants NATO to run our country. Read my post on reloading, the treaty will make us all criminals for reloading shot shells. Forget 7 1/2 or 8's.

    Grow up or go back to the paint-ball field and play.



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    "They were the real terrorists, not Sadam, no matter how terrible he really was."

    A. Remarkably. Stupid. Statement.
     
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    "And everyone was afraid, not just the public, congress was afraid, and I'm sure Bush was as well. In fear, people are willing to do many more drastic things."

    Well Trappy all those people were afraid according to you and you remember so tell us. When did we invade Iraq? Why if the Democrats are going to save us from the present danger did they not vote against the invasion of Iraq? Also why is it that Dubya is the only one that was unwilling to deviate from the plan if he was afraid why did he not regain his unafraid status and back peddle just like all the Democrats did? I will answer that one for you he is the only one that made a commitment and saw it through to the end of his time in office.

    Trappy tell me if someone punches you in the face what do you do get afraid and run or fight back? Do you say now is the time to act and later walk away and blame the person that you supported? When Dubya laid this whole thing out for the rest of the politicians in DC he told them that it would be a long war it wouldn't be over is a year or two and once we were committed to the war on terror there would be no walking away. The Lilly livered Democrats turn around and broke it off up Dubya's butt a fact they should be very proud of after all Dubya lied about WM's in Iraq didn't he? Yet there were no lies told to the American public about Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac were there. Wake up you are much to young to throw your future away on the all the truths the Democrats are selling especially the jobs that are being created by the 780 billion dollar stimulus bill!!!!!!!!!!

    Bob Lawless
     
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