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Lewis option @ Mo. Fall Handicap

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by 686beretta, Oct 6, 2008.

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  1. 686beretta

    686beretta TS Member

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    I played this option, but I do not like the fact that it only pays on one spot per place such as 98 then 91 then 88 and finally 82. I think this is really hurting the money in this option. JMHO. By the way what hit it on yesterday's handicap?
     
  2. Dr.Longshot

    Dr.Longshot Banned Banned

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    I have said all along the 4 place one money lewis option is geared to the top shooters, It is costing the ATA shooters and they just don't understand it, there ought to be an ATA RULE all lewis classes must pay 50-30-20 so money is spread around...

    And I approve with this statement

    Gary Bryant
    Dr.longshot
     
  3. Jawhawker

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    Dr. Longshot, please explain how this money option is costing the ATA shooters..
     
  4. Gary Waalkes

    Gary Waalkes Well-Known Member

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    I think I don't understand the complaint. How do you pay more than one spot per lewis class score? Are you suggesting some scheme where if a 92 is the 3rd score that somehow a 91 would also get paid?? What kind of Lewis are you talking about? Please Dr. Longshot - indulge me / clear up my ignorance and tell me about this version of the Lewis system, where is it being played, what does it cost to enter, and what the typical payouts are.
     
  5. Gary Waalkes

    Gary Waalkes Well-Known Member

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    Would someone out there please help me understand this Lewis option being touted by Beretta and Longshot? I have never seen or played a Lewis where there was more than "one spot per place" getting paid.
     
  6. mette56

    mette56 Well-Known Member

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    Gary,

    I'll try to explain. In times past, at Linn Creek, Lewis classes were split 60/40 or 50/30/20 per each class. This meant that in most cases, if you hit a class by yourself, you got your money back, maybe a little more depending on how many played the option.. In the same way, in the past, 25 options were split 60/40 or 50/30/20. Again, not much pay back unless you hit it by yourself. MO was one of the first clubs to pay 100% back on 25 options.

    Therefore, for those who made $65 to $1600 (for example) on a MO Lewis, they would have made much less. Kind of like socialism...spread the money out to more people. Yes, more participate in a payback which is good, but the payback is much less when the class is divided.

    Hope this helps.

    milt
     
  7. Dennisw

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    the payouts are now listed at Missouri website
     
  8. Dr.Longshot

    Dr.Longshot Banned Banned

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    Pheasant Master shoot attendance has gone down, I feel one thing attributing to this is that some or a large majority feel they can't break all the targets but have a chance at a 100-99-98 or 96-95-94 or lower lewis class scores so they either don't shoot or just shoot targets only.

    In years past the GRAND AMERICAN paid 4 lewis classes 50-30-20 which amounted to 12 scores being paid.

    Then later it was decided to pay 4 lewis classes 60-40 which paid 8 scores and they pais more money each place.

    Then later yet it was decided to pay 4 lewis classes 100% lets say a score of 200 first class-96 second class- 91 third class- 88 fourth class.
    which paid 4 scores.

    What it amounts to is the top shooter got more and more money on each change
    and the average shooters got less and less.

    So shooters a lot of them just quit shooteing or quit shooting as much, and cost of shells, shot, gasoline, went up and fewer shooting families had to cut costs or quit shooting altogether.

    I myself have drastically cut shooting ATA targets because of this, I mainly shoot Buddy shoots and make a lot more money doing it. Smaller cash outlay fewer shells shot and lower component costs, and I take home more money than I
    came with, enjoyed shooting with friends and shoot more often as much as 4 days a week.

    I enjoy shooting at Missouri Fall Handicap, I pass on the Grand

    I approve of this message


    Gary Bryant
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  9. RLC323

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    I always liked the 60/40 at Misourri and I believe it is still that way in Illinois at the state shoot. With 60/40 the top score gets a decent payoff and the runner-up gets a little something for the effort. Further down in the other 3 lewis classes the money is smaller with more splits of the 60 and 40, but you have more "winners".

    All you can do if you do not like the 100% payoff per class is not play the lewis, which I did not at MO this fall. Also be sure to tell shoot management why you did not play that option if you prefer 60/40.
     
  10. seeapair

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    Lewis classes other than the first one is strictly by luck .If you pay $15.00
    to enter and pay-back is 50-30-20% you are lucky to get back your entry fee
    for the lower classes due to so many ties . This also holds true on the
    top class 10-200 15-99 etc, I don't play 60-40% or 50-30-20% lewis
    classes because you seldom get your entry fee back. If you pay $15.00 to
    enter and get back $9.00--why enter. If you pay $15.00 and hit one with
    one money and get back $30 to $50.+ for a lucky purse this seems worth the
    effort to me. I agree that the 1st lewis is sometimes top heavy, especially
    in handicap events when there is only 1 or 2 top scores,unless you are the
    one WITH that score! Which is very rewarding for a LUCKY Purse.
    ...Just my opinion..
    Tom Rombach
     
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