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Lewis Class at the Grand American

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by 548, Aug 19, 2013.

  1. 548

    548 Guest

    Was this the first year of the 60/40 split in Lewis?

    I played the Lewis in a couple events and hit it, almost got my $20 Lewis entry back. With this five class 60/40 split, almost everyone is a winner. The problem is that the money is so diluted the only shooters to do better than getting their entry back are the shooters who shot perfect scores.

    Why not five classes with no split. At least then hitting the Lewis is fun and you could win $40 instead of $18. Look at the pay sheets on the ATA website if you don't believe me.

    Could someone explain to me why 60/40 is better; because I'm not seeing it?
     
  2. 870

    870 Well-Known Member

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    Make sure you let Longshot know about that. He's a big proponent of not only paying more places, but paying percentage method. Great way to let everyone win meaningless amounts!
     
  3. 548

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    Well what it did for me was discouraged me from participating in that option. The risk reward computation wasn't in my favor after my "wins" resulted in a 80% payback of my entry. I stopped playing it after the first day.
     
  4. hmb

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    Even when you win you lose. HMB
     
  5. eric

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    Rick - EXCELLENT point!!!! With the ATA introducing more categories for trophies (Sub Vet, Lady 1, etc) it just dilutes the money available for trophies. The same applies to the 60/40 Lewis.

    The Inland Empire Handicap went from the 60/40 to the 5 classes, 100%. We ran stats for both years on the two methods and the percentage of shooters playing the 5 class Lewis was very nearly the same even though it was more expensive. We heard numerous people proudly saying how much they won in the Lewis - we are hooked!

    Eric Olson
     
  6. az outlaw

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    RICK BARKER for President!!!!!!!! It is such a travesty to see so many people go home with nothing to show for their performance. Heck why should only the top performing Shooters get anything? On top of what RICK BARKER suggest's We should have a seperate class called "THE ALSO COMPETED" class so Everyone can feel Good about Winning and no one will have their feelings hurt.

    Mark
     
  7. Big Jack

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    Just think about it..$20.00 to play..win 15.00..YOUR A BIG WINNER...Bragging rights are yours! You won money at the GRAND! Keep the money in your pocket to start and you'll be farther ahead. Only person guranteed to win in the Lewis class is the top score and he might have to split it up.

    Big Jack
     
  8. ivanhoe

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    More classes will fix the problem how??????

    Bob Lawless
     
  9. $$$SHTR

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    If you want to see watered down, welfare at it's best, go to the PITA site (from here)and open any western Washington shoot program. Handicaps are all 3 yardage groups, each yardage group shoots for their own money, ($8 per shooter), split 50/30/20. This and the usual turnout is almost always less that 45 shooters. Guaranteed not to win any money. Why would anyone want to win enough to pay for entries, fees, shells, and gas?? And, the high score gets punched based on the total number of shooters in all three classes, even though, in reality, they only competed with the yardage group.

    This is not handicap, it's a new class system, A, B, and C class (or how ever many you want)based on yardage instead of average. The chance to win better trophies and money has been the draw for the handicap system from the start.

    But, the true handicap winner shouldn't feel bad that 2/3rds of the money will go to shooters who didn't practice as hard or work as hard to hit the most target. Welfare, welfare,welfare!!!!

    Tomas

    Nothing but welfare, any way you want to look at it.
     
  10. 548

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    Bob, I think Rick was being sarcastic. I'm surprised you didn't pick up on it.
     
  11. az outlaw

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    Rick Barker,

    I guess You are correct but maybe someday our socialistic Dictatorship will change and We can have someone like You in charge, until then We can just keep paying $20.00 to win $18.00 and handing out trophies to anyone that enters an event and give EVERYONE 2 or 3 shots at winning a trinket.

    Ivanhoe,

    I think it's all tongue in cheek remarks given the multiple classes and giving some people multiple chances at winning trinkets with all the sub-categories available. At least that's the jest of MY post.

    Mark
     
  12. hmb

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    Maybe you guys should try the World Series of Poker. It only costs $10,000 to play. I think they had about 8,000 entries in the last tournament. HMB
     
  13. Barry C. Roach

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    Lewis is the biggest sucker bet in trapshooting purses.
     
  14. 548

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    Jim, fair question. My answer is this... it was the worlds largest trapshoot. I think it would be reasonable to assume that the lewis payout would garner you more than the entry fee for the lewis option at the worlds largest trapshoot. And as you know from reading my initial post, after playing and hitting the lewis on day one of my stay, I learned that my assumption was indeed wrong, and so I no longer played that option.

    And so I also now find myself curious about something, Jim. Given your question, is it reasonable for the average reader to draw from your post that you were at the Grand and found the 60/40 split to be a good idea?
     
  15. W.P.T.

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    There has always been the concept of a winner being the best that day ...It happens in baseball, football, soccer, bowling, every sport but trapshooting where everyone is a winner ... That sure takes the shine off of winning but what the hell everyone gets a crumb and the cake lasts longer ... It sucks is what it does, there is only one winner, everyone else is a loser 1St loser, 2nd loser and so on ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  16. az outlaw

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    Just remember Son,.......... If You aint First Your Last

    Mark
     
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    Uh.....could you repeat the question? Nah, just kidding! It's not a good play unless you can win or runner up.
     
  18. multifired

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    To answer the original question, yes this was the first year for 60/40 lewis split. Prior years it was 20/20/20/20/20 high gun. Tom
     
  19. Dr.Longshot

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    I do not play any lewis class that pays less than 50/30/20 w/ 3-4 lewis classes.

    Maybe you will hit a score that not many shooter have,

    The Grand at Vandalia I believe were all 50/30/20 and I usually got my entry money back.

    60/40 lewis class is geared to top dogs.


    Gary Bryant
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  20. 1oldtimer

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    The good Dr. is right on on this one. 3 classes 3 to a class gives you 9 winning numbers. The Cardinal Classic preliminaries on Aug 20-25 has 60/40- 3 classes for 6 winning numbers. The Championship events are 3 classes 50/30/20 giving you 9 winning numbers. I don't play the 60/40 as that is geared to the top shooters. I have usually done well with the 50-30-20.
    Those unhappy with the $18.00 payoffs, send them to me and I will dispose of them.

    1OT
     
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