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Let's use proper terminology

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Shooting Sailor, Mar 23, 2013.

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  1. Shooting Sailor

    Shooting Sailor Well-Known Member

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    I have been reading the posts on here and other sites, and see that the dialog and terminology used is being directed and controlled by the antis. Anti-what doesn't matter. Whatever you want, there is someone against it, and they control the dialog and and terminology, because they get their message out first.

    A case in point being the use of "Assault Weapon" to define modern day semi-automatic sporting rifles. As we all should know, an "assault weapon" is a rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, and capable of select fire, a choice of single shot or automatic fire. By our continuing to fall into the trap of calling semi-automatic sporting rifles assault weapons, we give validation to the position of the antis. Actually, by continuing to use the word weapon, we feed their position. A firearm is merely a tool, to be used for whatever purpose we choose. It is not a "weapon" until used as such, either offensively or defensively, against a person or animal.

    Another one is gun control. What is happening isn't "gun" control. How many of you have heard the old DI refrain "This is my rifle, this is my gun...." A gun is tchnically a smoothbore firearm. What is being proposed as "gun control" is actually rifle or handgun control.

    Referring to firearms in general as guns is technically incorrect, and as we are in a position of knowledge, we should take every opportunity to correct the improper use of terminology.

    "Guns" have been demonised by the antis and the media, as we well know. In our discussions and posts, use of "firearms" lessens, somewhat, the impact of the association with evildoing that ignorant people associate with "guns".

    What other terms can you think of? Please post your comments and suggestions here.
     
  2. Catpower

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    Calling the power plant in a vehicle a motor, it is an engine unless it is electric
     
  3. halfmile

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    My 14.4 volt Dewalt is a drill motor. So is my Milwaukee Hole Hawg.

    My 1100 is a self loading shotgun. My rifle uses cartridges.

    I do like the Congressman who explained that "automatic" meant rounds fired as long as the trigger was depressed.

    The Lamestream Media loves the fear words.

    But I have to say you're swimming against the tide.

    I definitely will avoid "lift" and "lorry"

    HM
     
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    Catpower,

    Not just electric for motors...

    Air tools are run by motors as well, and you can argue that a gerotor is a motor as well.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_(disambiguation)

    As it was explained to me an 'engine' develops it's power internally while a 'motor's' power is developed in an external source and then is delivered to the motor.

    It can be argued that motors are a sub-set of engines, the difference being the externally developed power source.

    Food for thought.
     
  5. Steve W

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    I am guilty of interchanging terms 'motor' and 'engine,' however, I did grown up watching the 500 which takes place at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. I know there are some other Motor Speedways around the nation and they aren't racing electric cars! LOL!
     
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    My grandmother (1887-1974) didn't use the term 'drive'. She 'motored' everywhere. Charlie
     
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    I hate when even experienced people use the word "ejector" when they are referring to the "Extractor".
     
  9. Catpower

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    HSLDS

    Your are right, but I haven't seen any pneumatic motors powering cars LOL But the day ain't over!!!!!!
     
  10. ivanhoe

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    " I posted a serious topic for discussion, and if you didn't like it you could just click off and go to another thread. Telling me I needed to take my meds is a personal insult, and I resent it."

    Lets see you come in here and tell us that we do not use the proper terminology. When one person informs you in his own way that no matter what terminology is used the message is still coming across. You tell him his method is a personal insult, and you resent it.

    Well you being arrogant enough to presume to tell everyone that they are not using the proper terminology. This to me is something I resent. You tell him to click off this thread. When in all reality you didn't need to start this thread to begin with, yet you chose to do so. I see that as case of you giving your opinion. You should be man enough to take the criticism that goes with it.

    If you aren't man enough to take it maybe you should turn off your computer and instead of going to bed. Just go away, period.

    Try to remember if he said something that bothered you it probably because what you had to say bothered him. Of course that doesn't matter because you feel that your arrogance entitles you to take it upon yourself to educate all of us ignorant peons.

    Are you sure you aren't a Democrat.

    Bob Lawless
     
  11. trapperwads

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    For years liberals have been using terminology to sway opinion to their thinking. During the Attica prison riots in New York state the Associated press used the term inmates. They were not inmates..they were convicted murderers, rapists, drug dealers and other assorted felons....criminals or convicts, not simply inmates. The prison name itself was called Attica Correctional facility, not Attica prison. What a misnomer...proven fact is that over ninety percent cannot be corrected or rehabilitated...they repeat offenses and return. The term abortion rights is not a right it is murder by abortion and we should use the term "abortion murder rights." We need to use the term " Constitutionally guaranteed gun owner." In other words use the tactics that the mentally challenged liberals use to sway public opinion....and thats mine. ed nichols
     
  12. Shooting Sailor

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    Bob Lawless - if you read my original post, it was pointing out that the anti-whatever groups get their message out first, and by so doing, they set the agenda and terminology. My point was that if we, as firearms owners and users, fall into using their terminology, we validate that position and terminology. By correcting our use of terms, we invalidate a major portion of their position. If we continue to use correct terminology in our discussions, amongst ourselves and others, perhaps our position will gain some measure of respect and validity with those middle-ground individuals who haven't yet made up their mind yet about firearms users and usage.

    I'm sorry you feel that I am being arrogant by posting something which I have given a lot of thought. Perhaps the message is getting out by using the words of those who oppose our position on firearms, but isn't it possible that by changing our words to the correct ones, more people will come to see the reasonableness and validity of our position?

    I can take reasoned criticism as well as the next guy, and have no problem doing so. As you can see by reading the posts above, the offending post has been removed, and I have received an apology. I have also removed my response to it, and we are now good.

    It is not arrogance that makes me feel I am entitled to start posts as I do, rather calm, reasoned thought about various subjects. I am willing to listen to a lot of people taking different viewpoints before I make up my mind, and hope that the people on this site are also willing to do the same. Working together, we CAN make a difference in how we and our firearms are perceived, but if we keep sniping at each other because of our inability to accept that our position could be strengthened by using someone else's argument, the opposition will win for sure. "A house divided...."

    And no, I am most certainly NOT a Democrat. As a Canadian, I don't belong to either party in the USA. I do however, vote for the CONSERVATIVE Party of Canada.
     
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    I'm glad we got that straightened out, I was wondering where the offending stuff went
     
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    SS no matter how you slice it you are giving an opinion. Not stating a fact as your own statements seem to prove.

    "If we continue to use correct terminology in our discussions, amongst ourselves and others, perhaps our position will gain some measure of respect and validity with those middle-ground individuals who haven't yet made up their mind yet about firearms users and usage."

    You also said,

    "And no, I am most certainly NOT a Democrat. As a Canadian, I don't belong to either party in the USA. I do however, vote for the CONSERVATIVE Party of Canada."

    Your not even directly involved in this proposed legislation. As you are Canadian not American. Voting as a member of the Conservative party proves nothing. We have politicians in this country who are members of the Republican party. Yet they vote against the party policies all the time.

    You give your opinion and then you are insulted when you are criticized. Yet when someone else is giving their opinion. You become indignant and abusive, seems arrogant to me.

    BTW you said and I quote.

    "but if we keep sniping at each other because of our inability to accept that our position could be strengthened by using someone else's argument"

    The poster simply gave his opinion. It would appear to me that you are the one that was doing the snipping!!!!!

    Bob Lawless
     
  15. Shooting Sailor

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    Okay, Bob. You are right. I am wrong. The fact that we in Canada have been fighting this fight longer than you have, and have actually won some battles, has no bearing on it, nor does the fact that the basis for my original post came from thinking about a lecture I attended about 8 or 9 years ago, given by an American lawyer who specialise in fighting firearms cases. I surrender to your superior knowledge and intelligence, and shall forevermore bow to you and your superiority.

    This isn't sniping, nor is it indignant and abusive, You have convinced me of the rightness of your feelings and position, and I won't argue with a closed mind any more.
     
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    Catpower,

    Lots of pneumatic powered cars around DC - there's lots of hot air there... ;-)
     
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