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legal speed for trap shells

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Tom Parker, Oct 6, 2012.

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  1. Tom Parker

    Tom Parker TS Member

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    Can anyone tell me what the legal speed of 1oz shells are for trap shooting
     
  2. mixer

    mixer Well-Known Member

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    For 12 ga 1oz it's 1350fps and 1290fps for 1&1/8th oz.

    Eric
     
  3. oskerspap12

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    1290 for 1 1/8 loads, 1325 for 1 oz. loads,and 1350 for 7/8 oz. loads.

    D.P.Reynolds
     
  4. Trap2

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    Tom.... Without a doubt, shell speed is the most often ignored rule in trapshooting today. The rule is overlooked by most simply due to its ability to be enforced. There is no way to tell if a competitors shell is faster than is allowed without it being disassembled and every component weighed, which, in my 30 plus years of trapshooting, has never happened, that I'm aware of. With the different powders, ported barrels, etc. it is impossible to tell by the sound alone if the shell is legal or not. Personally, I don't care what shell my competitors use. They can use 11/4oz of 6's going 1400fps if they choose to. After 100 rounds or so, they can not stay in their guns due to the excessive recoil. I'm a big believer in the "shoot what you bring" theory. With all the controversy about the ATA doing its job, the handicap system, legal target flights, legal target speeds, etc., shell speed is one of those things the late Frank Little used to call trivial garbage. While I believe one can shoot a shell that is too slow to do the job adequately, I also believe there is a point where a shell that is too fast loses its effectivness and becomes detrimental to your scores. Shoot what you feel comfortable with and don't worry about it, no one else does... Just my observations..... Dan Thome (Trap2)
     
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    From the ATA rule book, ATA web site:<center>
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    Keller
     
  6. shot410ga

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    In my 37 yeas of Trap I've never seen anyone check the speed of a shell, anywhere. Has anyone ever seen the speed of the shell checked or even questioned, do to a complaint or suspected cheater?
     
  7. Dr.Longshot

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    With the diversity of all the powders on the market and shooters blending powders it is impossible to tell speed from weighing powder from dis-assembled shells. Powders like REDCO or PROCO which is Herco Blended with Red Dot and Promo, I do not mix powders but know quite a few who do.

    I like 1200 fps shells in ATA Hdcp but am presently shooting up 5 cases of Top Guns 2 3/4 Dr5am 7.5s on first shot of buddy shoots.

    I load Promo for ATA Targets almost exclusively.

    Gary Bryant
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  8. Old Cowboy

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    You can buy a Pro-Chrono chronograph for around $100, it wouldn't be a difficult rule to enforce.
     
  9. wayneo

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    Shotguns are one of the hardest things to chrono. Gases are comming out a head of the shot, and the first few pellets might not be a good result for the main shot charge. Then, even with shade screens on cheaper chronos, full sun, partial sun, shade can give all different readings.

    If that isn't bad enough, you need to set up 8' away with a SKEET, or Cyl. choke to get the best readings. Whos got those chokes at an ATA event? An Oehler 35P is what I would use for shotguns.

    Wayne
     
  10. ou.3200

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    There would be arguments forever if the ATA began using chronographs such as Pro-Chrono. There are so many variables such as the distance from the muzzle, muzzle blast, etc., not to mention the difference between the chronographs used by the shell manufacturers that measure the main shot charge vs the chronographs available to handloaders that measure the first pellet across the screen.
     
  11. hmb

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    What should be checked is shot weight and shot size. But that will never happen either. Could you imagine what would happen when factory ammo is found to be out of spec. HMB
     
  12. BigM-Perazzi

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    They should have to be checked with commercial equipment certifications....

    Otherwise, I've got an old ballistic pendulum and a Hollywood chronograph ....
     
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    Another one of the ATA stupid rules.
     
  14. straightshooter1

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    What is so stupid about it, RWT?

    I don't see the problem. All the reloading manuals have loads that fit this criteria. And, some here complain about the 1250 fps loads, saying 1200 should be the max with 1 1/8 the max weight (and some want 1 oz).

    Bob
     
  15. hmb

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    Bob,

    It is stupid because it is not being enforced. HMB
     
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    Thanks, HMB.

    I did not know that no one ever enforced it. I haven't heard of anyone challenging a shooter based on his/her shells and I guess I never really cared.

    Seems that the guys who win, at least where I've shot, seem to be using the same shells I do. They just seem to point their guns a little better than I point mine.

    I'm really not sure if faster shells than 1250/Super Handicaps would make a difference or not. Seems you still have to have the gun pointed in the right place.

    Bob
     
  17. Avaldes

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    IMHO, we could take a hint from Olympic trap. They regulate the weight and size of shot but there is no speed limit. Very easy to enforce and they take a couple shells from your pocket before a round as evidence for later.
     
  18. hmb

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    The ATA has to do it different from the rest of the world. HMB
     
  19. Jawhawker

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    When a rule is put in place as such it is a guideline for which the honest to follow. Cheaters will bend the rules regardless of verbage.
     
  20. hmb

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    Welcome to LaLa Land. HMB
     
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