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Lasik Surgery

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by coldtrail, Mar 30, 2010.

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  1. coldtrail

    coldtrail Member

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    I am considering lasik surgery, and I have heard that it could make you cross-fire. I would like to find out if anyone has experienced this problem. I am contemplating having both eyes done for distance, instead of the mon-ocular procedure that will give me distance and reading. Your input is appreciated.
     
  2. EuroJoe

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    The best Retinal Specialist in the area advised a top sporting shooter against it. Mistakes sometimes happen, and they won't guarantee the kind of visual acuity the shooters need.
     
  3. Barry C. Roach

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    I've talked to a lot of eye docs in the last few years and have come to the conclusion that Lasik works most of the time but I'm not willing to take the chance that I wont fall under that "most" column. Just enough chance of a problem for me to continue with contacts that work well for me.
     
  4. wm rike

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    It won't make you crossfire unless you hit your head hard.

    As with everything in life, there are trade-offs. In general terms, there is a higher degree of satisfation from people who require less correction, which is to say you can only push the procedure so far. Where do you fit in? If you were to rank corrective procedures in order, the next best thing to natural, perfect vision would be hard contacts. You might try those first.

    Recognizing that the procedure is widely accepted and very popular, we nonetheless have to acknowledge that it is not perfect. Certainly, eyes can be corrected to 20/20 or 20/15, but that does not necessarily correlate to perfect vision or even better vision. A large part of the success depends on the patient's perception. Someone with a scientific or technical background (observant, picky & detail-oriented) will not be as impressed with the procedure as someone with a non-scientific/technical occupation, say an insurance salesman or a librarian. Someone currently wearing hard contacts will be harder to please than someone with soft lenses, a rifle shooter harder to please than a shotgunner, and so forth.
     
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    WM just about said it all though I disagree with his analogy regarding rifle vs. shotgun shooters.

    Robert
     
  7. Bluerock1

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    I had both eyes done 9 years ago. Still see GREAT and it only made my ability to see targets better. If you decide to have the procedure find the very best doc in your area.

    BR1
     
  8. cbxchris

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    Left eye done in 1997. Had it touched up in 2008. Had my right eye done at the same time.

    One of the best things I ever did for myself.
     
  9. Leo

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    I was a Nationally Ranked High Power and PALMA Rifle shooter (no Scopes). I was near sighted but fully correctable with single vision lenses. I also did my research and spent the big money. The best guy, with the newest state of the art equipoment. I was one of the 20 percent with problems, and unluckily, one of the lesser percent that the surgon couldn't correct the problem. I was legally blind for 4 months. Another Dr. worked on me and I was able to drive daylight only for a couple of years. My last proceedure allowed me to see 20/40 WITH bifocals. There is no more they can do. I can pass the drivers exam, but I really cannot see very well at night, and aviod driving in unfamiliar areas. I have not seen a straight line or ANYTHING clearly since 2004, even with glasses. I am thankful to be at least functional in life at this point. After ruining my rifle shooting and my life and loosing $50-70,000 trying to correct my vision, I am very sad that I had the proceedure. I know at least one man that had four failures with eye surgery that now walks with a white cane and is dependent on the government for every meal. The question I have to ask you is this, are you feeling lucky?well are you?
     
  10. wm rike

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    Robert T - I only say that about riflemen because that was originally my background - stationary targets and you get a nice long look at them, mirage, bugs, shadows, focus, loss of focus, floaters, sweat, all that kind of annoying stuff. I think that intensity is diluted somewhat in the clay sports because in the course of a second the mind has to deal with things like target angle, speed, effects of wind, etc.

    Interestingly, a highly regarded opthamologist and I were talking years ago and he said that competitive shooters (his words, no discrimination) tend to be bad candidates for corrective procedures because any time you pick up a gun, it is going to be an eye-intensive experience. Shooters know very well what things should look like and they're not happy if the image isn't just right.
     
  11. winchesterkid

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    There is a well known lasic surgeon in the Washington DC area that did Tiger Wood's. It must have worked for him as he did score well lately :)
     
  12. Landshark

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    I wore contacts for 20 years. I had Lasik done 5 years ago and I'm so glad I had it done. yes, I have to wear readers, but my distance vision is way better than what it was with contacts. I was cross firing before I had Lasik so that is a non issue for me.
     
  13. porky

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    Your vision is improved for the short term after lasik. It will worsen as you age or the body is stressed. Remember that you can only have the cornea cut twice with lasik. If you have astigmatism to any degree it will not be corrected on the first cut generally with no guarantee on the second. Also, we all generally end up with cataracts. This requires a cut in the cornea and a lense inserted underneath of it. If the cornea is too thin, think corneal transplant. I cannot vouch for the percentage of people who have gotten their vision back completely with corneal transplant. I can say after having lasik myself that the vision improves and then weakens and I have to wear glasses. When I walk into a darkened room after being outside, I am blind and have to get a light on before I can move because everything is black, not dark. It is as if I were blind in a dark closet. This is really true for me. At night when I drive, I can be blinded by headlights because of the starburst effect of the lasik surgery. It hasn't gotten better in the 6 years I have had them. I wish I hadn't gotten the lasik because I have to wear protective lenses to shoot with and perhaps the greatest reason is the elimination of the ability to see up close. Since you see up close some 98% of the time and now I have to constantly have glasses to do it whereas I could see up close without glasses before lasik. Even with glasses the field of view and vision close up suck because of the inability to focus at different distances between reading and cutting your toenails. Ask your optometrist or eye surgeon. The only people I have seen really benefit from the improvement are people who can't see up close or at a distance. If you can see up close without glasses, but can't see without the aid of glasses for distance, I recommend you not consider lasik. You need to protect you eyes anyways for shooting. Vanity is the reason we choose lasik. If you listen to the lasik pitch, they will tell you there is no guarantee and it isn't improbable that they can make your vision worse. Some weasel words. Listen closely.
     
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    I have heard rumors that the is a new proceedure bing worked on. Anyone know what it is?

    Jack Burch
     
  15. USBP

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    Dear Coldtrail--

    I had lasik done two years ago. I had astigmatism in both eyes. I am a right handed shooter but left eye dominant. I first tried to get my shooting eye corrected for distance and my left (dominant)eye for reading (mini-monovision); but when they tried that configuration on my in the office, I could not stand it! So, we tried it with my left eye (dominant) for distance and my right eye (shooting eye) for up close/reading - same thing, mini-monovision. I must say I loved it when they tested it that way. So, I had my eyes done in that manner. Mine turned out perfect - a contradiction if you read Git'ER'Done's message above). This set up worked for my everyday life (reading, driving, everything) - except shooting. So, I had a corrective lense made for my shooting eye on my Decot glasses. The left eye lense is just clear plastic, non-presription; but my shooting eye lense (right side) was corrected so that I could see long. This worked perfect for me. Again, my hopes were to correct my right eye but for some reason, my lead eye had to be corrected for long. I would do this again and twice on Sunday! I used a very reputable doctor in the Ft Lauderdale, FL area. I had the "halo's" for about 60 days and they went completely away. No other issues with mine in two years now. Best thing I ever did. One thing they tell you is that no matter how old you get and how much you eyes go down hill after surgery, they will NEVER be as bad as before you had the surgery. Sumptin to think about. Hope this helps some.
     
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    I had RK surgery done about 20 years ago, my eys were bad enough that my glasses were the first thing I reached for in the morning. The only thing I could do without them was read. Really what I was looking for was to be able to function if I lost or broke my glasses. Well the doctor did my eyes and total of 5 times each eye a little each time. He got me good enough I could drive without glasses--- Now 20 years later I am having something called hyperoptic shift-- in other words I am one of the few people who's eyesite is getting better(2 years in a row). I am 50 now and have to wear cheaters to read but that was coming with or without the surgery. Would I have it done again YOU BET.
     
  17. TRAINWRECK

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    I had it done about 6 years ago and it corrected my astigmatism. The last time I had my eyes checked I had 20-10 in my left eye and 20-15 in my right. I would say its the best money I have ever spent. I spent 2 grand on lasiks and would have spent 5 grand in the last six years on Dr. appointments and glasses.
     
  18. Scootermac50

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    Everyone,

    I just had custom lasik done last week.
    Although my eyes weren't terrible by any means they weren't quite as crisp as I would have liked. I took the plunge and so far so good.
    My vision is back to when I was in my early 20's ( 20/15) in both eyes.
    The halo effect was there the day following my surgery, but now is gone.
    If I see those targets as good as I seem to see everything else I can't help but imagine it may grab me a couple extra birds per event.
    ( At least I hope so)

    Anyway, the only complaints is sleeping with the guards on at night for the first week. Outside of that it is one of the best things I can say I've done for myself.
     
  19. joannl030

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    I had RK (pre lasik) done in 1987 when I worked for an eye surgeons group. I did well, however, since I should see the target a little crisper, he redid both eyes once in the left and twice in the left. I was/am very happy with the success I had.
    It was not until 1998 that I needed reading glasses. I can shoot without Rx glasses and am happy about that.
    My doctor used to kid me that while at school for RK he was told that the hardest patients he will ever have is a target shooter...go figure..LOL. But I used to kid him back because I did his financial books and I had to see in order to do the job he hired me for!
    Good luck with whatever decision you make.
    Jo Ann
     
  20. Barry C. Roach

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    No one does RK anymore, do they? I have a dear friend that had it done and I don't believe she ever shot again. It nearly blinded her.
     
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